Science of Reading:The Podcast

Science of Reading season 10

Throughout Season 10, we’ll break down the leading research on reading comprehension, examining each component of this complex process. From the fundamentals, such as why comprehension is key and its relationship to the Simple View of Reading, to troubleshooting common difficulties with everything from syntax to reading assessments—this season has everything educators need to develop deeper comprehenders.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D., founder of The Reading Institute and director of the Advanced Certificates in Reading Science, Brooklyn College. An expert in orthographic mapping, Pace Miles explains why it’s a cognitive process, why that means it can’t be “taught,” and how we can instead leverage an understanding of it to inform instructional practices across reading, writing, and spelling to improve comprehension. Pace Miles outlines what it takes to develop good word-reading habits in emergent readers, and offers step-by-step advice on how to implement quick intervention when needed.

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Episode 2: Orthographic mapping is a cognitive process, with Katie Pace Miles, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Wesley Hoover, a psycholinguist at the University of Texas at Austin, to discuss the Simple View of Reading and how it can serve as the basis for our understanding of comprehension. Wesley digs into all the complexities of this model—which is only simple at a high level—including the meaning of language comprehension vs. reading comprehension, the impact of word recognition, and using the simple view to identify struggling students. He’ll even address the limitations of the simple view of reading, untangle common misconceptions, and give you tools for assessing the value of any model for reading that you might encounter.

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Episode 1: The (not so) Simple View of Reading, with Wesley Hoover, Ph.D.

Podcast host Susan Lambert gives you a first look at Season 10 of Science of Reading: The Podcast. This season will focus on reading comprehension, taking a deep dive into what is ultimately the goal of every classroom: breaking down why comprehension matters and how to achieve it. Get a glimpse into the season’s different angles on comprehension, as well as the expert guests you can look forward to hearing from.

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Season 10 trailer: The comprehension season

Science of Reading season 9

Science of Reading: The Podcast is back for a reboot! Throughout Season 9, we’ll build on the fundamentals of evidence-based literacy instruction, reexamining the key principles of reading research while exploring the latest science. And we’ll also be paying special attention to the reciprocal relationship between reading and writing throughout!

In this crossover episode Susan Lambert joins Ana Torres from sister podcast, Beyond My Years. Together they dive into the idea that all educators contribute to—and thus must invest in—student literacy development, regardless of the content they teach. Throughout the conversation, they discuss how all teachers are literacy teachers, and they offer four simple tips for developing academic language in any classroom. Then, Classroom Insider Eric Cross shares his top three takeaways from Susan.

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In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, literacy coach (and podcast host in her own right) Amie Burkholder joins us to discuss her new book, Literacy Unlocked: How to Implement the Science of Reading With Young Learners. Amie talks through the origins of the book, how she structured it to be really actionable for educators, and what she hopes educators will take away from it. Amie and Susan also discuss some of the biggest recent changes to the Science of Reading movement, the areas Amie most often sees educators struggle when making the switch to research-based literacy instruction, and some tips educators can implement today—including a walkthrough of a classroom activity targeting phonemic awareness.

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Special Episode: Translating research into action, with Amie Burkholder

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, top literacy scholar Tim Shanahan, Ph.D., returns to discuss his new book, Leveled Reading, Leveled Lives: How Students’ Reading Achievement Has Been Held Back and What We Can Do About It. During his conversation with Susan Lambert, he outlines what existing research says about leveled reading—and why it’s not effective. He also shares how the misuse of theory can lead to ineffectual conclusions, makes a case for the efficacy of more explicit instruction, and provides a few simple tweaks teachers can make to classroom instruction that can make a big difference for their students.

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Special Episode: Science of Reading: Leveled reading, leveled lives, with Tim Shanahan, Ph.D.

In this rewind episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, we revisit a Season 1 conversation between host Susan Lambert and Anne Lucas, former curriculum director and current associate vice president of product, literacy suite initiatives and supplementals at Amplify, on the complexities of reading comprehension. Together they dive into the complex nature of comprehension and why it’s so difficult to teach.

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Episode 15 Summer ’25 Rewind: The missing link in reading comprehension, with Anne Lucas

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert welcomes back researcher and author Daniel Willingham, Ph.D., to discuss reading comprehension. With only so much instruction time in the day and research supporting both comprehension strategies and knowledge building, it can be tough to know what to prioritize in the classroom. Daniel holds nothing back in outlining exactly where educators should focus their time. Together, he and Susan explore the limitations of comprehension strategies, the place for critical thinking skills in relationship to knowledge, and how to recognize when messaging around knowledge has gone too far.

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Special episode: Unlocking reading: Comprehension strategies vs. knowledge building, with Daniel Willingham, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D. He’s a teacher, instructional coach, and author of the recent book Harnessing the Science of Learning: Success Stories to Help Kickstart Your School Improvement. Emphasizing the science of learning as an ever-growing resource for updating instruction practices, he provides a comprehensive look at how knowledge powers learning, how to identify knowledge-rich curricula, how cognitive load affects learning, and how to understand several common learning misconceptions.

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Special episode: The truth behind learning, with Nathaniel Swain, Ph.D.

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jackie Relyea, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Literacy Education at North Carolina State University, who’ll give you a comprehensive guide to integrating background knowledge into your teaching as you create a content-rich classroom. Jackie offers insights into why time-tested classroom staples such as read-alouds and word walls are effective tools for building background knowledge … and how to make them even better. She also digs into why vocabulary is just one facet of conceptual knowledge and what the research says about background knowledge for multilingual learners.

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Special episode: A guide to integrating knowledge building into your classroom, with Jackie Relyea, Ph.D.

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Assistant Professor of Literacy and Coordinator of Reading Science Programs at Marian University Karen Betz, Ed.D., to discuss a key topic in the Science of Reading movement: higher education. Betz describes how we can better prepare new teachers to provide evidence-based instruction, and her tool to help teachers in higher education assess whether their courses align to reading research. Betz also offers advice for current practitioners on how they can support change at the university level.

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Special Episode: A better way to teach our teachers, with Karen Betz, Ed.D.

In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D., professor of education, emeritus, at Stanford University, to answer questions from our listener mailbag. Together they address a wide range of topics facing today’s educators, such as what to do when your school implements conflicting materials, how to support students who are two or three grade levels behind, best practices for teaching multilingual learners, and more!

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Episode 14: Your questions answered, with Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D., and Susan Lambert

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Young-Suk Grace Kim, a professor at University of California at Irvine School of Education. Dr. Kim begins by defining a theoretical model, outlining its value to teachers as it pertains to literacy instruction. She describes her own interactive dynamic literacy (IDL) model, which seeks to more fully explain reading and writing connections. Dr. Kim emphasizes how reading and writing function as a powerful and closely related system, and examines how this system interacts with developmental phases, linguistic grain size, and reading and writing difficulties, including dyslexia. After navigating the complexities of this conversation, Susan ends the episode by sharing her unique insights and takeaways from her time with Dr. Kim.

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Episode 13: Empowering instruction through mental models, with Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Adrea Truckenmiller, associate professor of special education and school psychology at Michigan State University. Their conversation starts with defining academic language and breaking it down on the level of the word, the sentence, and full text. Adrea then touches on topics such as informational vs. narrative text structure, morphological complexity, and effective writing assessment. She also gives advice on how to implement explicit instruction on informational text and academic language, and details a few examples of what it can look like in the classroom. Adrea ends by discussing her passion for special education and encouraging educators to get involved.

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Episode 12: Explicit instruction of academic language, with Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Judith Hochman, coauthor of The Writing Revolution. Their conversation begins as Dr. Hochman recalls the early days of writing instruction and research, then delves into the connection between better writing and better reading. Dr. Hochman touches upon topics such as writing comprehension, her experience implementing writing instruction as a classroom teacher and as an administrator, and how the writing revolution came to be. She also answers a question from our listener mailbag, providing a detailed overview of the scope and sequence for transitioning student writing from sentence composition to paragraphs to whole texts.

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Episode 11: Writing the way to better reading, with Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jane Ashby, professor in the Reading Science doctoral program at Mount St. Joseph University. The two define the concept of “settled science” as a jumping-off point before digging into phonology and the argument for not always basing your teaching practice on the newest research. Dr. Ashby touches on the impact of phonology on comprehension, the Matthew Effect, and why the term “instant words” is more accurate than “sight words.” You’ll walk away from this episode with two practical exercises Dr. Ashby recommends for teaching students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks.

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10: Phonology as a settled science, with Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Tiffany Hogan, a professor at MGH Institute of Health Professions in Boston, who studies the connections among speech and language and literacy across time in children. Together, Susan and Dr. Hogan explore the complexities of language, the components that form language, and the significance of language for literacy. Dr. Hogan explains Developmental Language Disorder (DLD)—its characteristics, its prevalence, and the challenges in recognizing it. She emphasizes the importance of supporting children with DLD and the role of educators in making a difference long-term. She also provides listeners with effective strategies for supporting children with oral language deficits, offers insights into the relationship between background knowledge and language, and answers questions from our listener mailbag.

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Episode 9: Identify Developmental Language Disorder in your classroom, with Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

In this episode, Susan Lambert rejoins podcast alum Natalie Wexler to discuss Natalie’s new book Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning. Listeners will gain insights into why this topic is important, what this book offers educators, why Natalie was so drawn to writing this book, and what cognitive science-informed teaching looks like in general. Natalie addresses how cognitive load theory works in practice with literacy, misconceptions about focusing only on phonics, and scaling science-informed instruction. Natalie also answers a question from the listener mailbag about encouraging colleagues to adopt an evidence-based approach.

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Episode 8: Cognitive science-informed teaching, with Natalie Wexler

Amplify’s 2024 Science of Reading Star Award winners share insights from their daily work. They reflect on why it’s so critical to stay grounded in evidence-based literacy practices and how they bring those practices into their schools and classrooms. Listeners will be inspired by the creative ideas of educators who are making a difference in the lives of students across the country. Winners honored in the episode in order of appearance are: Amber Hines, Vance County Schools, NC; Elizabeth Caton, Windber Area Elementary School, PA; Jamie Vannoy, Wirt County Primary Center, WV; Christine Michalik, Cicero School District 99, IL; Andrea Mason, County Line Elementary School, GA; A. Simone McQuaige, Prince George’s County Public Schools, MD.

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Special Episode: Award-winning ways to put science into practice

This week, we’re highlighting an episode of Beyond My Years, our sibling podcast that gives you exclusive access to all the wisdom of veteran educators. Beyond My Years host Ana Torres learns from the best as she sits down with 2024 National Teacher of the Year Missy Testerman. Missy teaches Ana about being open to new ideas and perspectives, offers tips on building relationships with families, and discusses the importance of slowing down. Missy doesn’t shy away from tough topics, like managing the “who knows best” struggles among administrators, teachers, and parents, and knowing when it’s time to step away from teaching, In addition, Classroom Insider Eric Cross and Ana discuss understanding your community, being more flexible in presenting your lessons, and seeking mentorship and continuous growth.

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Special Episode: Lessons from the 2024 National Teacher of the Year

Susan is joined by Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D., professor in the Department of Psychology at the University of Michigan, to give educators the perspective of a developmental cognitive neuroscientist on literacy development. Starting with the basics of cognitive science versus brain science, Ioulia gives a comprehensive overview into how the brain changes as children learn to read, including differences seen in neurodiverse students and multilingual/English learners. Ioulia then answers a question from our listener mailbag on neuroscience and dyslexia and how current research can inform teaching strategies. Ioulia ends with a rallying message that scientists, teachers, and children cannot stand alone and need to find ways to connect with each other to strengthen literacy as a whole.

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Episode 7: Neurodiversity and the reading brain, with Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

In this episode, Susan Lambert chats with ReadWorks Chief Academic Officer Susanne Nobles, Ph.D., to explore her organization’s mission of making high-quality texts free and accessible to all. Together, they discuss ReadWorks’ Article-A-Day program, which offers articles to build students’ knowledge and vocabulary while supporting teachers with resources that promote topical coherence. Susanne shares insights into why text quality matters, including that kids know when text isn’t worth their time and attention. She also details how ReadWorks ensures the quality of their materials, describes the Spanish-English texts they’ve introduced to support multilingual/English learners, and offers advice for listeners thinking about text quality and cohesion.

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Episode 6: Making high-quality text free and accessible, with Susanne Nobles, Ph.D.

On this episode of the podcast, Lori Josephson joins Susan to talk about her new book Calling All Neurons! How Reading and Spelling Happen. Lori discusses her journey into literacy and how she saw the need for an accessible, digestible book about the brain science behind learning to read — one that would be enjoyable for adults and students alike. Lori explains what a neuron is and shows how understanding neural networks is essential to understanding learning to read. She also delves into the importance of getting everyone in a student’s life involved in their literacy development. Lori and Susan also answer some listener-submitted questions, prompting discussions on how to help older elementary students who lack foundational skills and advice for educators who work with students with significant cognitive disabilities.

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Episode 5: What makes a literate brain, with Lori Josephson

In this episode Susan Lambert is joined by Hugh Catts, Ph.D., professor at Florida State University, to break down what comprehension is and bust some myths about what it isn’t. With a family history of dyslexia, he has a personal connection to the topic that led him into research in language sciences and language disorders. He discusses how his findings moved him away from viewing comprehension as simply a “component of reading” but rather something entirely separate—a condition created over time, defined by purpose, and influenced by prior knowledge. Together, Susan and Hugh address many comprehension-related concepts, such as the Simple View of Reading, the five pillars of reading, and comprehension’s relationship to knowledge building. Hugh also gives listeners practical advice for helping students suss out their comprehension before reading, and he clarifies why understanding the standard of coherence is important.

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Episode 4: Comprehension is not a skill, with Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

On this episode, Kari Kurto, National Science of Reading Project Director at The Reading League, discusses The Reading League’s curriculum evaluation tool, which assesses a curriculum’s research-based practices. Kurto’s conversation with Susan Lambert touches on her background teaching students with dyslexia, the non-negotiables in curriculum aligned to the Science of Reading, and how educators can use information about an evaluated curriculum to inform instruction. While Kurto stresses that no program is perfect, she and her colleagues have worked to equip educators with a tool to more easily and objectively access information when making curriculum choices.

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Episode 3: Know the non-negotiables in a Science of Reading program, with Kari Kurto

In this episode, Susan Lambert welcomes back Sue Pimentel to discuss the history and impact of the Common Core State Standards on English Language Arts and Literacy (ELA) education in the United States. Susan and Sue revisit what the standards were designed to focus on: knowledge building, college and career readiness, and fluency in both literary and informational texts. Their conversation covers the importance of text complexity, the lack of a research base to support leveled readers, knowledge building as a matter of equity, and content as a matter of access. While acknowledging the value of these standards, the discussion also highlights their limitations. Sue underscores the importance of always returning to the research to ensure students are truly learning, being prepared to navigate the world, and ultimately, to live happier lives.

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Episode 2: Standards are the ‘what’ and curriculum is the ‘how,’ with Sue Pimentel

In the Season 9 premiere of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert speaks with Ray James, Head of School at the Boyce N. Ansley School, about the transformative impact of literacy instruction. The Ansley School, which serves children experiencing homelessness, has made evidence-based literacy instruction a key piece of its efforts to foster profound educational and community change. Ray shares his journey and explores how a focus on literacy provides benefits that extend beyond the classroom to the broader community. This episode underscores the importance of foundational literacy skills and sets the stage for a new season dedicated to a literacy reboot.

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Episode 1: Literacy as a catalyst for change, with Ray James

Science of Reading season 8

Join hundreds of thousands of educators already listening to Science of Reading: The Podcast to get the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. During this season, we’ll be talking all about knowledge—why it’s so critical for literacy development and student success and how it can be built most effectively.

Susan Lambert joins biliteracy expert and professor Lillian Durán, who holds a doctorate in educational psychology from the University of Minnesota and researches the improvement of instructional and assessment practices with preschool-aged multilingual/English learners.

Durán begins by pointing out the difference between being bilingual and biliterate, then describes the key advantages of being bilingual and the unique skills students who speak multiple languages bring to school. She then discusses how the Simple View of Reading connects to Spanish, the double standard that often occurs when bilingual students are celebrated vs. when they are not, and the process of screening and assessment for multilingual/English learner students. Lastly, Durán compels educators to avoid viewing biliteracy and dual language support as a sub-population of their classroom and instead prioritize the development of students’ home languages, whatever they may be, alongside English instruction.

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Episode 14 Spring ’24 Rewind: Biliteracy and assessment, with Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

Join Susan B. Neuman, professor of early childhood and literacy education at the Steinhardt School at New York University, in the sixth episode of our Deconstructing the Reading Rope series. She explains the important link between background knowledge and reading comprehension in the Science of Reading, and shares her five research-based principles to build knowledge networks in literacy instruction. She also highlights the connection between speech and reading, and previews her upcoming studies on the role of cross-media connections in children’s learning.

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Episode 13 Spring ’24 Rewind: Deconstructing the Reading Rope: Background knowledge, with Susan B. Neuman

Harvard School of Education professor of cognition and education Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D., joins Susan Lambert on this episode to reflect on the state of language and literacy instruction in the U.S. They begin their conversation discussing early literacy and linguistics, then dive into Snow’s work on the National Research Council report “Preventing Reading Difficulties in Young Children.” Lambert and Snow talk about building vocabulary, growing student curiosity in reading, and exposing students to academic language. Snow talks about the specific tools educators need for meaningful help in the classroom, shares her hopes (and fears) for the future of reading instruction in the U.S., and explains why she encourages teachers to let their classrooms be noisier.

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Episode 12: Language and literacy, with Catherine Snow

Greg Ashman—author of multiple books including A Little Guide for Teachers: Cognitive Load Theory, deputy principal, and professor—sits down with Susan Lambert on this episode to discuss cognitive load theory and how it applies to how students learn and how to best teach them. Together their conversation covers cognitive load theory, including an exploration of working memory and long-term memory; intrinsic load and extraneous load; biologically primary vs. biologically secondary knowledge; and how to apply these concepts in the classroom. Ashman also provides listeners with helpful advice on ensuring their teaching practices are based on evidence.

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Episode 11: Cognitive load theory: Four items at a time, with Greg Ashman

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D., is an award-winning researcher and author who has advised on literacy across 30 states and 10 countries. In this episode, she joins Susan Lambert to dig into how we can build rather than just teach reading comprehension, and what it means for comprehension to be a learning outcome rather than a skill. She and Susan also touch on how to ask the right comprehension questions, how to ensure coherency in teaching background knowledge, and where it’s easy to go wrong—with knowledge building and with the Science of Reading as a whole. Listeners will walk away with a deeper understanding of which skills lead to comprehension and how to avoid strategy overload.

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Episode 10: Comprehension is an outcome, with Sharon Vaughn

Dr. HyeJin Hwang is an assistant professor and literacy researcher whose research interests revolve around reading comprehension and content learning in K–12 settings, particularly for multilingual students. In this week’s episode of the podcast, HyeJin Hwang talks with Susan Lambert about background knowledge (what it is, how it’s built, and more), the importance of broad knowledge, the connections between knowledge and vocabulary, and unit planning rather than lesson planning. English wasn’t Dr. Hwang’s own first language, and her research on supporting multi-language learners is informed by her own experiences learning English and later teaching English as a second language. Whether you’re just starting to establish a solid foundation on knowledge building or you’re looking to explore the topic from new angles, this episode is the one to listen to.

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Episode 9: Knowledge building can’t wait, with HyeJin Hwang

A name known throughout the literacy world, Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D., directs the Center for Dyslexia, Diverse Learners, and Social Justice at the University of California, Los Angeles. She’s published over 170 scientific articles and four books focusing on the science of the reading brain. In this episode she discusses the reading brain in a digital context and delves into some of the tensions around literacy instruction in the present moment, including the Science of Reading beyond just phonics, the plea to preserve deep reading, and literacy and screens. She also talks about the topics she’s most focused on and the ones she feels are most pressing in general when it comes to research on the brain and literacy. And she ends with an impassioned message to teachers, expressing her deep respect and gratitude.

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Episode 8: The plea to preserve deep reading, with Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

As a writer of several books for teachers and parents, former kindergarten teacher, and current associate professor of language and literacy in the Department of Teacher Education at Michigan State University, Tanya S. Wright, Ph.D., has maintained focus on a singular question: How can we most effectively work with students in the early education setting? In answering that question, Wright has researched and written on two interesting areas: vocabulary development, and best practices for literacy development in young children. Listeners will come away from this conversation with some great tips and strategies for developing vocabulary, working effectively with younger students, and integrating writing and vocabulary.

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Episode 7: Vocabulary is unconstrained, with Tanya S. Wright

Returning guest and recent doctoral degree recipient Jasmine Rogers, Ed.D., rejoins the podcast to discuss findings from her research on Black language and teacher perceptions of Black language. Rogers shares strategies for how educators can better serve students by allowing them to be more themselves in the classroom. She also shares some specific teacher approaches she’s observed that listeners can apply in their own classrooms. Lastly, Rogers inspires listeners with emotional stories—including her own—about educators learning and growing, and posits that starting with introspection can often have the greatest impact on the classroom.

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Episode 6: Showing up as your full self, with Dr. Jasmine Rogers

This episode’s guest is Margaret McKeown, Ph.D., a retired professor from the University of Pittsburgh, decades-long researcher, and former elementary school teacher. In it, McKeown and Susan Lambert address why vocabulary is so important, particularly for knowledge building; talk about the various elements of effective vocabulary instruction; discuss the key role of informal instruction in vocabulary building; and share best practices for assessing vocabulary. Listeners will come away from this episode with a deeper understanding of the how and why of vocabulary instruction, as well as tips for bolstering vocabulary instruction in their own communities.

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Episode 5: No perfect set of words: Building vocabulary, with Margaret McKeown

On this wide-ranging episode, Susan finally gets the chance to speak with famed education thinker and author John Hattie, Ph.D. Hattie has authored dozens and dozens of books. He’s best known for his book, Visible Learning, which now has a sequel. In this episode, he discusses his career and shares with Susan some of the biggest takeaways from his work. He also explains what meta-analysis is and discusses some of the biggest takeaways from meta-analysis in the education field, as well as the importance of implementation. And, finally, Hattie shares his thoughts on AI and the future of education. This episode offers many practical tips for educators to realign with their mission and dig into why they do what they do and how to best make an impact.

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Episode 4: Brace for impact: Unifying classrooms through mission-based learning, with John Hattie

In this episode, Susan Lambert talks to Gina Cervetti, Ph.D., about literacy development, knowledge building, vocabulary expansion—and the deep connections among all three. Gina explains why she sees knowledge and vocabulary as two sides of the same coin. She also attempts to expand the listener’s understanding of what knowledge really is, it’s not just subject-area knowledge; It’s also cultural knowledge. In this process, she introduces the idea of conceptual coherence and the benefits of this approach to knowledge building, as well as avenues for implementing it in the classroom. Lastly, Gina offers strategies for how teachers can effectively build students’ vocabulary without relying on a vocabulary list, the usefulness of which has not been shown by the research.

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Episode 3: Knowledge and vocabulary: Two sides of the same coin, with Gina Cervetti

Many educators understand the value of reading aloud to students, but may not yet have unlocked the full power of these tools as an intentional, consistent, and joyful instructional approach. In this episode, we welcome Molly Ness, author of the recent book, Read Alouds for All Learners: A Comprehensive Plan for Every Subject, Every Day, Grades PreK–8. Molly—a former classroom teacher who also spent 16 years as a teacher educator—gives us an overview of the research on read-alouds, detailing the myriad benefits (linguistic, socioemotional, motivational, and physiological) they provide students. Molly also lays out strategies for effective read-alouds, instructions on how to properly plan and implement them, and specific examples of the pre-work process for texts like Knuffle Bunny by Mo Willems.

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Episode 2: The joy of reading aloud, with Molly Ness

In the premiere episode of Season 8 of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by guests Reid Smith and Pamela Snow to lay the groundwork for a season entirely centered on knowledge and knowledge-building. Reid and Pamela—of the SOLAR Lab at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia—recently co-authored (along with many others) a review of the literature on background knowledge and literacy. In this discussion, they share what they learned, including some surprising takeaways. This episode examines the complexity of building background knowledge, the important role it plays in literacy, and the reasons we’ve decided to spend a whole season exploring it!

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Episode 1: Knowledge and comprehension: Never one without the other, with Reid Smith and Pamela Snow

Science of Reading season 7

We know getting literacy education right is hard, and every day in the classroom brings a new set of challenges to educators. During season 7 of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Tackling the Hard Stuff, we’ll be taking on all the tough questions that come up for literacy educators—from trauma-informed teaching and writing instruction to managing small-group instruction time. We’ll also dive into how the Science of Reading connects to biliteracy, dyslexia, middle school, and more.

In this episode, in honor of Dyslexia Awareness Month, we highlight Kareem Weaver’s daughter Margo and nephew Elijah—both of whom learned they had dyslexia later in life. After many struggles in school, Margo was diagnosed with dyslexia in high school; Elijah was diagnosed with dyslexia only while he was incarcerated. Margo and Elijah discuss the impact of their diagnoses as Kareem reflects on their stories and shares lessons learned for families and caregivers. Margo and Elijah also share their advice for educators and other young people about types of dyslexia.

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Season 7 Interlude Episode 3: Growing up with dyslexia

This is Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Reid Lyon (listen to Part 1 here), one of the leading experts in reading research. After years working for and with the highest levels of the U.S. government, Dr. Lyon stepped away from working on reading research. However, in May 2023, he released his “Ten Maxims: What We’ve Learned So Far About How Children Learn to Read.” Picking up where we left off last episode, Dr. Lyon continues to expand on what we know about how children learn—and explains how much of this information was known two decades ago when he was testifying before Congress. He also goes into what he sees in the current Science of Reading landscape, what he hopes for the future, and how both of those things led to the creation of his “Ten Maxims.”

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Season 7 Interlude Episode 2 (Part 2): Embracing the complexity of learning to read, with Reid Lyon

Dr. Reid Lyon is one of the leading experts in reading research. After years working for and with the highest levels of the U.S. government, Dr. Lyon stepped away from his reading research. But in May 2023, Dr. Lyon released his “Ten Maxims: What We’ve Learned So Far About How Children Learn To Read.” And of course Susan jumped at the chance to invite him onto the podcast. In a wide-reaching interview, Dr. Lyon traces his life story from the Vietnam War to the National Institutes of Health. He also offers an expansive overview of what we know about teaching reading, how children learn—including a discussion of whole language vs. phonics—and his response to educators wondering what reading actually is and what methodology of teaching students to read is most effective.

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Season 7 Interlude Episode 2 (Part 1): Embracing the complexity of learning to read, with Reid Lyon

With a background as a classroom teacher, a master’s in educational neuroscience, and a doctorate in special education, Dr. Neena Saha has seen all facets of education. In her work, she noticed a gap in the research-to-practice workflow for early literacy and dedicated herself to streamlining the process of finding and disseminating the best educational research for educators. Together, Susan Lambert and Neena discuss the need for reading researchers to work together and collaborate in a more focused and concerted group effort, the challenges of implementation, and how educators can best keep up with research that often feels overwhelming.

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Season 7 Interlude Episode 1: Keeping up with educational research on teaching reading, with Neena Saha

Growing up, Malcolm Mitchell considered reading and academics to be a bare minimum means to get the opportunity to play football. While his journey with football led to playing in the NFL, the work he is most proud of today is his literacy work and his own journey of learning to love reading, advocating for literacy, and writing children’s books. In this conversation with Susan Lambert at the 2023 Plain Talk Conference—where Malcolm was the keynote speaker—Malcolm dives into his own process of teaching himself to become a proficient reader at the age of 19. Through the lens of his own struggles and triumphs, Malcolm shares a powerful testimony to the importance of cultural connection, access to books, community building, and understanding the true “why” behind reading to get students motivated to read.

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Episode 10: From football to phonics, with Malcolm Mitchell

Here to continue our discussion on dyslexia from earlier episodes in the season is an all-time leading expert on the topic: Dr. Sally Shaywitz, co-founder and co-director of the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity. This literacy legend shares how she came to study dyslexia, the story of her seminal Connecticut Longitudinal Study, and all she’s learned from her years of dyslexia research. Shaywitz will cover some of the biggest myths and misconceptions about dyslexia and also explain the “sea of strengths” possessed by people with dyslexia.

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Episode 9: Dyslexia: Where we started; where we’re going, with Dr. Sally Shaywitz

When it comes to literacy education and cross-domain learning, it’s critical to understand the relationship between reading and writing. In this episode, Susan talks to Steve Graham all about writing—and how it can be used to strengthen literacy. Graham served as chair of the What Works Clearinghouse Practice Guides on elementary and secondary writing, and is the current Regents and Warner Professor at Arizona State University. Together, he and Susan discuss ways to support student writing, hindrances to writing development, the importance of teaching handwriting skills, and why writing is essential to any literacy program.

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Episode 8: Writing your way to better reading, with Steve Graham

When we surveyed listeners, more than half of respondents said they wanted more conversations about teaching students with dyslexia. That is why Susan is joined by Dr. Tim Odegard from Middle Tennessee State University. Odegard is a professor of psychology and holds the Katherine Davis Murfree Chair of Excellence in Dyslexic Studies. As someone with dyslexia himself, Odegard brings a unique perspective to this discussion where they debunk the idea of “the gift of dyslexia,” discuss neurodiversity, and talk about what needs to be done to change the system.

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Episode 7: Debunking the “gift” of dyslexia in children, with Dr. Tim Odegard

From reading street signs and menus to checking the weather and using a ruler, there are so many examples of how a student’s math and literacy adventure continues beyond the classroom! That’s why we’re sharing another bonus episode—this time from our friends at Math Teacher Lounge to show the connections between math and children’s literature.

In this episode, Mathematizing Children’s Literature authors Allison Hintz and Antony Smith join Math Teacher Lounge hosts Bethany Lockhart Johnson and Dan Meyer to discuss what would happen if we were to approach children’s literature, and life, through a math lens, and how we can apply those techniques to classroom teaching.

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Special Episode: Disciplinary literacy: Connecting reading and math in children’s literature

We’re excited to share a special episode from our friends at the Science Connections podcast!

Literacy learning doesn’t end when a student leaves their English class; it continues to develop, grow and be challenged across all subject domains. In this episode, we’re excited to share a special episode from our friends at the Science Connections podcast. In this episode, host Eric Cross sits down with Susan Gomez Zwiep, former middle school science teacher and senior science educator at BSCS Science Learning. She shares research that shows the benefits of integrating science and literacy strategies, tips for applying these ideas in the classroom, and what she’s learned through her own experiences.

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In this episode, we take on the difficult topic of literacy education in the American juvenile justice system. Susan is joined by Hilderbrand Pelzer III, who discusses his experience as an educational leader in the Philadelphia prison system. Pelzer talks about what he saw and learned—and explains why he advocates for aspiring teachers to work with incarcerated youth. This passionate and moving discussion breaks down the myths surrounding literacy’s relationship with juvenile incarceration and also leaves listeners with advice on how to become more involved in their own communities.

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Susan interviews Danielle “Nell” Thompson, literacy multi-hyphenate and the creator of The Big Sky Literacy Summit. This August, the summit returns with a star-studded lineup of mentors, sages, teachers, and leaders, and in this episode, Nell shares how her own background—working with students in Alaska and Mississippi, among many other places—has helped shape this year’s conference theme. She and Susan discuss the importance of mentorship in advancing evidence-based literacy practice and literacy instruction.

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Episode 5: Science of Reading professional development, with Danielle Thompson

While in New Orleans at the Plain Talk About Literacy and Learning conference, Susan sat down with keynoter Zaretta Hammond. Zaretta shared her thoughts on the importance of scaffolding in literacy education. In this episode, Susan and Zaretta also look back on Zaretta’s impactful book Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain, and talk about mastery and the importance of learning how to learn.

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Episode 4: Scaffolding in education is built to be temporary, with Zaretta Hammond

After three years and more than 3 million downloads, Science of Reading: The Podcast recently conducted its first ever taping in front of a live audience. The recording took place on March 9, 2023, in New Orleans at the Plain Talk About Literacy and Learning conference. Susan Lambert was joined by none other than Kareem Weaver, NAACP activist, whose first appearance on this podcast remains an all-time favorite among listeners. This time around, Kareem gave Susan a behind-the-scenes look at his involvement with the new film: “The Right to Read”. Kareem also offered insights into his latest work with NAACP. Plus, Kareem addressed the topic of accountability: can we make the changes we need to make when it comes to literacy instruction without holding some people accountable?

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Special Episode: The Right to Read: Live from Plain Talk, with Kareem Weaver

This season is all about tackling the hard stuff, and there is no harder pill to swallow than being told by a student that you don’t know how to teach reading—especially when you realize they’re right! After this happened to Jamey Peavler, co-director in the Reading Science Graduate Program at Mount St. Joseph University, she leaned in and took the opportunity to completely rethink her approach to literacy instruction. Now, her research focuses on maximizing small-group instruction. In this episode, she’ll share her findings and her advice, as well as some best practices for small-group instruction and balancing small- and whole-group work.

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Episode 3: When not to differentiate: A guide to small-group instruction, with Jamey Peavler

For the second episode in our new season focused on tackling the hard stuff, we’re taking on a question that listeners have asked: how can we apply the Science of Reading in a Montessori setting? To help explore that question, we’re joined by the three authors of the recent book Powerful Literacy in the Montessori Classroom: Aligning Reading Research and Practice. Listen to Dr. Susan Zoll, Dr. Natasha Feinberg, and Dr. Laura Saylor as they explore the shared qualities between the Science of Reading and Montessori approach. They share tips and guidance for literacy instruction both inside and outside a Montessori setting and end with an impassioned call to educators from all approaches to come together and learn from each other for the benefit of students everywhere.

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Episode 2: The Science of Reading in the Montessori classroom, with Susan Zoll, Natasha Feinberg, Laura Saylor

Claude “Skeptic” Goldenberg, professor of education at Stanford, rejoins Susan Lambert to kick off season 7 of the podcast—all centered around tackling the hard stuff. In this week’s episode, Claude and Susan take on the topic of what is actually true when it comes to the Science of Reading and how to navigate the noise to find it! Together they discuss the opportunities and challenges of social media, “the importance of limitations of foundational skills,” and striving to maintain hope even when the journey toward success gets overwhelming.

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Episode 1: Navigating the noise, with Claude Goldenberg

Science of Reading season 6

The podcast focuses on all levels of education. In particular, this season widens the scope to look beyond the classroom to see the complexities behind even a single student learning to read. With so many systems at work, this season gives listeners a look at national reading assessment, statewide literacy legislature, implementation science, grassroots community organization, curriculum adoption, and higher education to show that enacting change takes many hands on all levels, but ultimately starts at the same place—a passion for unlocking the world for children through literacy.

Learning is at the center of everything in education, so understanding how the human brain processes, retains, and retrieves new information is essential to student growth. In this special crossover episode, Susan joins forces with fellow Amplify podcast hosts Eric Cross from Science Connections and Dan Meyer and Bethany Lockhart Johnson from Math Teacher Lounge to discuss what learning really means across subjects. Susan is also joined by Peter C. Brown, author of the book Make It Stick: The Science of Successful Learning, to dive into the cognitive science behind how our brains learn and ways you can apply that research in your classroom right now!

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Special interlude #2: The science of learning, the humility of teaching

Back in October 2019, Natalie Wexler joined Susan Lambert as the very first guest on Science of Reading: The Podcast. Now—more than three years and three million downloads later—Science of Reading: The Podcast welcomes Natalie back on the show. She and Susan discuss what she’s seen in the 3+ years since releasing her groundbreaking book The Knowledge Gap, and delve into the importance of managing cognitive load, building long-term memory, writing, and the broader science of literacy. Lastly, Natalie shares what she hopes to see in the education headlines in the not-so-distant future.

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Special interlude #1: Why the Science of Reading isn’t just about reading

Todd Collins went from education outsider to literacy expert when he joined his local school board after a career in finance and technology. When Todd saw the literacy assessment numbers, his data-driven mind said “this isn’t good enough” and got to work. Todd went on to organize the California Reading Coalition, a movement of educators, advocates, parents, and policymakers committed to improving reading instruction and outcomes for California’s six million students. In this episode, he joins Susan Lambert to discuss what it really takes to make effective change; the importance of clear, ambitious goals and strong leadership in schools; and which numbers within literacy data are most important to focus on.

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Episode 13: From education outsider to literacy expert, with Todd Collins

While working with students, one educator came to a realization that put her on a path to fascinating research in the Science of Reading. In this episode, Jasmine Rogers—manager and coach with the In Schools program at the DC Reading Clinic and an early literacy intervention lead at American University—shares her story and delves into her research on dialects and best practices for structured literacy instruction. She discusses Black language and how it connects with the language comprehension strand of Scarborough’s Reading Rope. Jasmine also offers recommendations for classroom teachers who have bidialectal students.

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Episode 12: Celebrating many meanings: Language comprehension and the importance of Black English, with Jasmine Rogers

Throughout this season, we’ve explored different tiers of the education system. In this episode, we look at the role higher education plays in equipping teachers with the right training and tools. Our guest Donna Hejtmanek, a retired special education teacher and reading specialist, shares her disappointing first-hand experience of going back to school at the age of 58—an experience that made her realize many universities weren’t training educators in the Science of Reading. Donna tells Susan the story of how she came to create the incredibly popular Facebook group Science of Reading—What I Should Have Learned in College, and discusses what it will take to change higher education.

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Episode 11: What I should have learned in college, with Donna Hejtmanek

With Utah’s recent passing of Senate Bill 127, a sweeping piece of literacy legislation, many are turning to the state as a model of what statewide implementation of the Science of Reading can look like. In this episode, Dr. Jennifer Throndsen, Director of Teaching and Learning at Utah State Board of Education, joins Susan to tell the story of how Senate Bill 127 came to be and how they are continuing to make changes in schools across Utah. Together, they discuss what the bill included, the opportunities and challenges the bill provides when it comes to implementation, and advice for other states looking to enact literacy legislation. Throndsen also discusses her experience as a teacher and her journey with the Science of Reading.

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Episode 10: The big win is just the beginning, with Dr. Jennifer Throndsen

In this episode, we take you behind the scenes of the smash hit foundational reading series The Reading League’s “Reading Buddies,” aimed at students in pre-K through third grade. Susan is joined by Andrea Dotto and Brendan Malafronte—artists, performers, and co-founders of children’s story hour and media company Dusty & Dott—as well as “Reading Buddies” executive producer Toni Ann Walsh. Together, the four of them discuss how the show started and how Andrea and Brendan got up to speed on the Science of Reading, and share tips for educators and caregivers on how to make reading instruction fun for kids.

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Episode 9: Lessons from a talking dog: TV’s “Reading Buddies” on making learning fun

Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson, Deputy Chief of Curriculum and Instruction in the School District of Philadelphia, has played an integral role leading and sustaining a transition to the Science of Reading in the Philadelphia public school district. But making such a change across a large district is difficult. In this episode, Dr. Francis-Thompson (who goes by Dr. Ny) talks with Susan about Philadelphia’s experience. She also talks about her own experience learning about the Science of Reading, and offers tips to other district-level leaders and wisdom about providing all students with the liberation that comes through reading and leading—all with love at the center.

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Episode 8: Love at the center of literacy, with Dr. Nyshawana Francis-Thompson

As the former chief academic officer at the Louisiana Department of Education, Rebecca Kockler made it her mission to empower districts to select higher quality materials. This involved a thorough and rigorous curriculum review, and allowing teachers to choose the program they wanted once they knew exactly what they were getting. This work built Kockler’s case for focusing on quality curricula as a vital part of student success. Using Kockler’s work in Louisiana as a case study, this episode shows why state governments should focus on logistics, procurement, and equipping educators with the information they need to make the best decision for their students.

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Episode 7: The how and why behind high-quality instructional materials, with Rebecca Kockler

Mimi Stewart is a state senator from New Mexico and previously worked as a public school elementary special education teacher for thirty years, with an expertise in reading literacy. Her unique background has turned into a passion for and a history of championing educational policies as a legislator. This episode focuses on how state government and state legislation can work to improve literacy instruction. She takes us through the process of creating a piece of literacy legislation, New Mexico Senate Bill 398, which passed in 2019. Sen. Stewart also shares the latest that bill and talks about what she’s now focusing on from her place in the legislature—like changing that way we teach teachers from a university level.

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Episode 6: Leading legislative change, with state Senator Mimi Stewart

Equal parts educational leader, educator, and life-long learner of reading science, Mitchell Brookins has leveraged his passion and dedication to affect change in the lives of the students and teachers he works with, as well as the many educators he has inspired online. In this episode, he opens up about the emotional journey he took—from realizing everything he’d been doing wasn’t working and that he’d never actually learned how to teach kids to read, to seeking out reading research and encountering the Science of Reading—a path that brought unparalleled transformation and success to his schools. Mitchell talks about how he is still learning and keeping students at the forefront of what he does every day, ending on a powerful story of a student who changed his life forever.

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Episode 5: Leading with the head and the heart: Enacting lasting literacy change, with Mitchell Brookins

Community and education activist Naomi Peña and clinical psychologist Dr. Akeela Azcuy knew that, as moms of struggling readers themselves, they had the opportunity to advocate for not only their own children but all children. These two leaders and changemakers founded Literacy Academy Collective with the goal of one day creating a stand-alone New York City public school devoted to educating children with language-based learning disabilities as well as struggling readers. In this episode, our guests share their own families’ experiences with dyslexia, how that impacted their activism, and how listeners at home can effect grassroots change in their own communities.

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Episode 4: From the community, for the community: Grassroots organizing, with Naomi Peña & Akeela Azcuy

Educator, researcher, author, and leadership consultant Dr. Doug Reeves joins Susan to discuss his book Building to Impact. Together, they dive into what evidence-based implementation looks like, including the importance of de-implementation. Doug also provides advice on how to define success for your school, and the ways to make it happen by focusing on one thing at a time until it becomes part of your school’s culture.

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Episode 3: Focused implementation: Doing less to do more, with Dr. Doug Reeves

In this episode, we dive deep into the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), also known as the national report card. Chester Finn, Jr., author of the new book Assessing the Nation’s Report Card: Challenges and Choices for NAEP, joins Susan to discuss the NAEP assessment. Together, they unpack how it works, what it is and isn’t, and what benefits and opportunities it provides as the achievement gap continues to grow.

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Episode 2: NAEP: What you’ve always wanted to know, with Chester Finn, Jr.

In our kick-off episode for season six, host Susan Lambert is joined by podcast alum Margaret Goldberg, the co-founder of the Right to Read Project. They discuss the new, animated Science of Reading series Brain Builders, and how this free tool can be shared directly with students and their caregivers. Importantly, Margaret also elevates the need to focus on the comprehension strand of the Science of Reading.

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Episode 1: The other side of Scarborough’s Rope, with Margaret Goldberg

Science of Reading season 5

Tune into this season of the podcast to hear from thought leaders and researchers in the field, including Lacey Robinson, Dr. Lillian Durán, Dr. Jan Hasbrouck, Dr. Doris Baker, and Brittney Bills. You’ll learn what it means to have access to equitable education. You’ll hear about the importance of dual language assessment to make sure you’re using the best assessment for your students, and learn about the value of progress monitoring. Plus, you’ll gain an understanding of a Multi-tiered System of Supports and how it centers prevention rather than intervention.

Today, Susan Lambert talks to Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan about the challenges and opportunities in teaching reading to multilingual learners. Dr. Cárdenas-Hagan is a bilingual speech language pathologist and a certified academic language therapist. She is also director of Valley Speech Language and Learning Center in Brownsville, Texas. She discusses how teachers can connect students’ home languages to English, urges teachers to educate themselves on their students’ home languages in order to spot orthographic and phonological connections, and highlights the need for educators to collaborate to ensure student success.

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Dr. Nancy Nelson, assistant professor of special education at Boston University, discusses myths and misconceptions around RTI, MTSS, and assessment screening in reading and mathematics instruction. She highlights what tools need to be in place for the RTI system to be implemented well, her work on DIBELS^®, and the importance of dyslexia screeners.

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Join Sonia Cabell, associate professor at the School of Teacher Education at Florida State University, as she shares findings from her research trials on content-rich literacy curricula and discusses whether activating students’ background knowledge alongside explicit phonics instruction is more effective than the traditional approaches. She also describes what constitutes “compelling evidence” in the Science of Reading and explains why students need to interact with both written and spoken language while learning to read.

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Jacquey Barber, director emerita of the Learning Design Group at UC Berkeley’s Lawrence Hall of Science, joins the podcast to discuss her research on the symbiotic relationship between literacy and science, as well as what educators should be looking for in high-quality, literacy-rich science curricula. She also goes into strategies for engaging students, including the Do, Talk, Read, Write. Visualize model, then ends the episode by highlighting the many ways science supports reading.

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Dr. Amy Murdoch, assistant dean of reading science in the School of Education at Mount St. Joseph University, received her doctorate in school psychology with an emphasis in early literacy from the University of Cincinnati. In this episode, she chats with Susan Lambert about creating prominent graduate and doctoral programs in the Science of Reading, and the responsibility of training the next generation of early literacy educators. She discusses how she has seen Science of Reading interest escalate, shares her hopes for the future of reading science in schools, and offers advice for those who are new to the Science of Reading and/or exploring an advanced degree rooted in reading science.

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Mickey Smith Jr. is an acclaimed Louisiana educator, author, saxophonist, Grammy Music Educator Award winner, and self-described “solutionist” who feels a strong calling to help educators. He brings his motivational blend of music and message to this special episode in which he and Susan Lambert discuss music, perseverance, and finding purpose as educators and human beings. He shares his proven principles for helping educators create sound connections and culture in today’s classrooms. He shares his methods for providing all-purpose encouragement and offers a tangible approach to finding one’s own personal mission statement—or, as he likes to call it, our legacy song.

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Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing is an assistant professor of instruction in the Bilingual/Bicultural Education Program at the University of Texas at Austin. Having lived in Nicaragua, England, the United States, and Spain, she has experienced bilingual learning across four different countries. In this episode, she differentiates between sequential and simultaneous bilingualism, discusses the importance of assessment in the home and second languages, and dives deep into the linguistic structures of Spanish versus English. She also offers advice for non-Spanish speakers on the best ways to support Spanish speakers.

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Dr. Kymyona Burk is policy director for early literacy at the Foundation for Excellence in Education (ExcelinEd). In this role, she supports states pursuing a comprehensive approach to K–3 reading policy. She joins host Susan Lambert to give listeners a look behind the curtain of the legislative process creating education policy, including writing and passing literacy legislation, the politics of advocating for the Science of Reading within legislation, and what the results look like for states that have this legislation in place.

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Claude Goldenberg joined the podcast to introduce what he argues is much-needed skepticism to the conversation of reading science. Goldenberg mentions that while the Science of Reading may be the latest buzzword, reading science is here to stay and, like any other science, will only grow stronger alongside informed critique. He later talks about the foundational skills and what the movement can learn from the failings of Reading First; offers advice for implementation; and ends with a hopeful note, highlighting that all educators can come together around a shared mission to see students succeed.

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Susan Lambert is joined by Dr. Brittney Bills, educator and recent Science of Reading Star Award Winner to discuss MTSS. Dr. Bills began her journey as a school psychologist for six years before transitioning to the role of curriculum coordinator at Grand Island Public Schools. Dr. Bills explains what MTSS is and how it centers prevention rather than intervention. She talks about the intersection of universal screening data and MTSS and provides advice on evidence-based strategies and techniques to make a positive impact in your classroom. Using examples from her own district, Dr. Bills discusses how to avoid burnout, learning to use data, and the process of ongoing improvement.

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Dr. Doris Baker speaks from her background researching the academic outcomes of English language learners (ELLs) to discuss ways educators can better engage and support all of their students. Dr. Baker emphasizes how much there is to learn about our native language by learning another language, and the advantages of bilingualism. She dives into a conversation around codeswitching and the importance of cultural awareness and provides practical advice on how to include ELLs in core instruction. She also outlines how educators can include parents in their children’s language learning by teaching them how, when, and what to read to their kids—in their native language!

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On this episode, we’re joined by literacy expert Jan Hasbrouck, Ph.D. Jan is an education consultant, author, and researcher who opens the episode talking about her start with literacy, underscoring how she was one of the lucky ones who learned how to teach reading correctly in college. She also discusses what it’s like to combat skepticism—both of the Science of Reading and the power of assessment. She then goes on to talk about the book she co-authored on student-focused coaching and ends the episode by addressing assessment anxiety directly, including a discussion of where it comes from, the importance of progress monitoring, and more!

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Susan Lambert joins biliteracy expert Dr. Lillian Durán, who holds a doctorate in educational psychology and researches instructional and assessment practices with preschool dual-language learners. She describes advantages of bilingualism and the skills those students bring to school. She discusses how the Simple View of Reading connects to Spanish, the double standard of celebrating bilingual students versus not celebrating them, and the process of screening and assessment. Lillian urges educators to avoid labeling biliteracy and dual language support as a sub-group of their classroom, advising instead to prioritize the development of students’ home languages with English instruction.

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Host Susan Lambert is joined by Lacey Robinson, CEO of UnboundEd, who opens the podcast by telling her personal story of learning to read and describing how literacy empowered her to pursue education reform. She emphasizes the responsibility that educational practitioners and leaders have to dismantle and eliminate all barriers to education, defines equity and equitable instruction, and describes the literacy experiences of Black students. She also outlines what productive struggle should look like in the classroom, encouraging educators to embrace their students’ local, cultural, linguistic, and historical context to enable more rigorous reading opportunities.

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Science of Reading season 4

Check out this season of the podcast for your chance to get insights from literacy experts, including Dr. Tracy Weeden, Sue Pimental, Dr. Julie Washington, Dr. Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan, and more! Tune in for discussions around the pandemic’s effects on literacy achievement, and strategies on how to make up for lost foundational skills while progressing at grade level. Learn why learning to read in print is still pertinent, despite the digital world we live in. Plus you’ll hear about challenges and opportunities educators face when teaching bilingual students how to read. Additional topics include dyslexia and developmental trajectories, universal screening, motivating middle schoolers, and hearing directly from our Science of Reading Award winners.

Today, Susan Lambert talks to our Science of Reading Star Award winners. First, we’ll meet two winners of our Amplifying Your District Award: Brittney Bills (curriculum coordinator, Grand Island Public Schools, Nebraska) and Alli Rice (elementary ELA lead, Kansas City Public Schools). Susan next talks with Anila Nayak (instructional coach and reading intervention teacher, Los Angeles Unified School District), winner of our Superstar award. Lastly, we’ll talk to Cathy Dorbish (principal, Austintown Elementary School, Ohio), who won the Standout School award for successfully shifting her school to the Science of Reading. Tune in to get inspiration and advice to take back to your classrooms!

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In this episode, Susan Lambert is joined by Amplify senior product specialist Kamilah Simpson, a former Title 1 middle school intensive reading teacher and instructional coach. Kamilah offers tangible advice on allowing for productive struggle so that students can learn through discovery. She also discusses how to teach with complex text and rigor, learning to scaffold, the importance of listening to text, incorporating writing practice, and supporting students without over-supporting. Finally, she stresses the importance of motivating middle school students to read by providing texts that they can see themselves and their worlds in.

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Susan Lambert chats with Kareem Weaver, award-winning teacher and administrator, about change management for educators implementing the Science of Reading. Kareem discusses what the Science of Reading is at the simplest level and why it’s important that educators are undivided in backing the research. Kareem highlights the importance of meeting educators where they are and realizing that change can’t happen if teachers aren’t given the tools and support they need first. He also calls for systemic changes to education so that teachers can do their jobs in a way that is balanced and sustainable, and ultimately benefits the students.

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In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she revisits a conversation she had during season 1 with Dr. Nancy Nelson, a research assistant professor at the Center on Teaching and Learning at the University of Oregon. They discuss myths and misconceptions around Response to Intervention (RTI), Multi-Tiered Systems of Supports (MTSS), and universal screening in reading instruction. Dr. Nelson also describes her work on DIBELS® and explains the importance of dyslexia screeners and what tools need to be in place for RTI to work well.

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Susan Lambert talks to 10th grader Hadyn Fleming about his experiences growing up with dyslexia. Hadyn shares his story of moving around a lot and what it took in his educational journey to feel like he had the tools and resources to be successful. He openly discusses the experiences that made a difference in his life and candidly discloses what it really feels like to have dyslexia. He shares the way that dyslexia impacts all facets of education and, conversely, how becoming a strong reader gave him increased confidence in other areas of his life. He also helps debunk dyslexia myths, and talks about how an educator’s belief in their students’ potential is essential to student success.

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Today, Susan Lambert chats with Ricky Robertson about building systems of support for students impacted by Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and their educators. Ricky is an educator, author, and consultant who has worked with alternative and traditional schools. The episode focuses first on how teachers can prioritize their own self-care and why it is essential in order to care for students. Ricky then explains what ACEs are and the ways that fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses can manifest in the classroom. Lastly, he explains how routine and relationships can build a foundation for resilience—ending on a note of encouragement to educators that their investment is never wasted.

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In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she rewinds the tape and highlights some of the standout learning moments that have occurred throughout this season of the podcast. Guests like Sue Pimentel, Julie Washington, Nadine Gaab, and more have all taught us invaluable lessons about the Science of Reading. You’ll hear top takeaways from each of their episodes as they cover topics such as literacy accelerators, learning to read digitally versus in print, teaching reading to multi-language learners, dialectical variety, and so much more.

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Dr. Nadine Gaab joins Susan Lambert to discuss dyslexia and brain development, and their affects on student learning behavior. Dr. Gaab, Associate Professor of Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, focuses on typical and atypical learning paths from infancy to adulthood. She has a special emphasis on language and reading development and the role of the environment in shaping these paths. Dr. Gaab provides insight on early intervention for at-risk students. She clarifies early diagnosis of dyslexia versus early identification of at-risk students and explains how educators can ensure that all students experience the joy of learning to read.

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Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan joins Susan Lambert to discuss challenges and opportunities in teaching reading to multilingual learners. She is a bilingual speech language pathologist and a certified academic language therapist. She is also director of Valley Speech Language and Learning Center in Brownsville, Texas. She explains how teachers can connect students’ home languages to English in order to honor their language and use new tools to help them understand English, and stresses the importance of learning about students’ home languages in order to spot orthographic and phonological similarities and differences. Lastly, she explains how important educator collaboration is for students’ success.

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Dr. Julie Washington joins Susan Lambert to discuss linguistic variety and dialects as difference, not error, and how to best support all students as they learn to read. Dr. Washington is a professor in the School of Education at the University of California, Irvine (UCI) and a speech language pathologist. She offers practical advice for educators teaching reading to children who don’t use general American English, discusses how to do so in a way that respects students’ community languages, reminds educators that students rise or fall to the expectations set for them, and encourages educators to embrace language variety and incorporate it into the development of successful readers.

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Susan Lambert is joined by second-grade teacher Lindsay Kemeny for a conversation about her journey of discovery with the Science of Reading. Lindsay discusses how she processed her shock and guilt at realizing she’d never been taught how to properly teach reading. She shares the journey she took as a mother and an educator when her son was diagnosed with severe dyslexia alongside depression, and discusses how that inspired her to dive into what is needed for good literacy instruction and what students with learning disabilities need. Listeners will also hear stories from additional educators from across the country about how the Science of Reading has transformed their classrooms.

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In this episode, Sue Pimentel—co-founder of the nonprofit StandardWorks, founding partner of Student Achievement Partners, and lead author of the Common Core State Standards for ELA—joins Susan Lambert to discuss her new report “Reading as liberation—an examination of the research base.” Sharing key insights, she expands on her findings about personalization, literacy accelerators, and implementation, and discusses how mutual respect between student and teacher is key to reading success.

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Susan Lambert sits down with Lauren Trakhman and Patricia Alexander, professors from the Department of Human Development and Quantitative Methodology in the College of Education at the University of Maryland, College Park, to discuss their research on the effectiveness of teaching reading in print versus digitally. Their conversation explores the ways in which teaching reading in print remains vital even in a digital world. Lauren and Patricia explain why it’s important to avoid making assumptions about students’ abilities to use technology, and describe how that can be a detriment to reading success. They also discuss ways to use technology to boost children’s foundational skills.

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This episode features Dr. Sheila Clonan discussing her work with identifying learning disabilities (particularly dyslexia) in children. Sheila also explores the mental and emotional effects of learning to read with dyslexia and how it impacts behavior and self-concept, providing two insightful analogies that illustrate what it feels like for students who aren’t given explicit instruction but are still expected to know how to read. She then ends the episode with practical advice for educators and parents on how to support and encourage children.

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Dr. Tracy Weeden, CEO and president of the Neuhaus Education Center, joins host Susan Lambert to discuss ensuring literacy success for all. She shares what it means to be a literacy ally, explains what the “COVID Chrysalis” is, and discusses how teachers need to bridge the gap between the language students learn in school and the language they bring from home.

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Kicking off season 4, Susan Lambert hosts this special episode with Laura Cusack, executive director of K–8 ELA strategy at Amplify. This dynamic duo sheds light on the pandemic’s effects on literacy achievement and strategizes how to make up for lost foundational skills while keeping students moving forward in grade-level learning. They also urge educators to make it a point to honor the diverse experiences of their students during reading instruction.

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Science of Reading season 3

Tune into this season of the podcast to hear from leading experts in the field, such as Dr. Jane Oakhill, Alice Wiggins, Dr. Louisa Moats, Natalie Wexler, Dr. Susan Neuman, and others! You’ll explore Scarborough’s Reading Rope and each of the strands it’s composed of, including word recognition, decoding, sight recognition, language structures, background knowledge, language comprehension, and vocabulary. You’ll also increase your knowledge of the Science of Reading and learn how you can make the shift to it in your classroom or entire district.

Join your host, Susan Lambert, as she recaps our season 3 Deconstructing the Rope series. She highlights the special guests we’ve had this season such as Louisa Moats, Bruce McCandliss, and Sonia Cabell and shares their expert insights on Scarborough’s Reading Rope. From vocabulary to word and sight recognition, all strands will be covered in this special episode that will help you cement this knowledge in your Science of Reading journey!

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Join DeJunne’ Clark Jackson, vice president of program development for the Center for Development and Learning, as she underscores how to overcome barriers in the delivery of accessible instruction to students. She also urges listeners to recognize and confront bias both inside and outside of the classroom in order to foster better experiences for educators and students. Finally, she leaves us with an anecdote on diversity, equity, and inclusion and speaks on the connection between the Science of Reading and dyslexia.

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Join Alana Mangham, literacy specialist for the Center for Development and Learning, as she shares her pathway from educator to changemaker in the Science of Reading field. She’ll also highlight her successful four-part literacy plan and urge you to question your instructional practices to better foster reading achievement in children today.

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Join Kate Cain, professor of language and literacy at Lancaster University, in the latest episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series as she explores language structures in the Simple View of Reading and explains its connections across reading comprehension in literacy development. She also highlights the reciprocal relationship between books and conversation and underscores the importance of reading aloud to children from a young age to develop their vocabulary and semantics.

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Join Nancy Hennessy, past president of the International Dyslexia Association, in the latest episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series in which Nancy defines the role of vocabulary and elaborates on the nuanced structures of comprehension in literacy instruction. She also highlights how to explicitly teach vocabulary to students through her research-backed, four-pronged approach.

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Join Sonia Cabell, assistant professor at the School of Teacher Education at Florida State University, in the latest episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series as she unwinds language comprehension, a strand of Scarborough’s Reading Rope. Sonia explains the true definition of language comprehension in relation to the Simple View of Reading and highlights the role of parents and educators in the use of advanced language models in literacy development. She also reflects on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on teachers and families and discusses how it has highlighted the importance of education today.

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In this special episode, Dr. Maria Murray, president and CEO of the Reading League, analyzes the intricacies of literacy instruction and shares common misconceptions educators have about the Science of Reading. She also explains why the Science of Reading: A Defining Movement coalition was founded—on a belief in establishing clear understandings of what the Science of Reading is, and what it is not, to promote the proper use of instructional practices aligned with its findings.

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Join Susan Neuman, professor of childhood and literacy education at the Steinhardt School at New York University, in the sixth episode of our Deconstructing the Reading Rope series as she explains the important link between background knowledge and reading comprehension in the Science of Reading and shares her five research-based principles to build knowledge networks in literacy instruction. She also highlights the connection between speech and reading, and previews her upcoming studies on the role of cross-media connections in children’s learning.

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Join Dr. Bruce McCandliss, professor at the Graduate School of Education of Stanford University, in the fifth episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series as he explains the role of sight and word recognition in the Science of Reading and highlights the importance of the rapid integration of print, speech, and meaning. Bruce also encourages listeners to be cognizant of the ever-changing, technological learning environment while nurturing young readers and writers.

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Join leading experts Natalie Wexler, Ernesto Ortiz, Dr. Carolyn Strom, and Susan Lambert for a podcast on making the shift to the Science of Reading. In this special episode, they discuss how educators can implement the Science of Reading through an incremental change on all levels, from a classroom to entire districts. Sharing their research and both professional and personal experiences, the panelists share the leadership knowledge, training, and curriculum advice you’ve been looking for.

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Join Dr. Louisa Moats, president of Moats Associates Consulting, in the third episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series as she highlights the significance of decoding in the Science of Reading and discusses the value of becoming students of our own language. She also mentions the reciprocal relationship between decoding and encoding and why both are essential to provide effective phonics instruction to children in the classroom.

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Join Alice Wiggins, vice president of instructional design and products at UnboundEd, in the second episode of our Deconstructing the Rope series as she unwinds word recognition, a strand of Scarborough’s Reading Rope. Alice also highlights the importance of explicit phonics instruction and urges listeners to advocate for an aligned curriculum to bring forth a systematic and equitable approach to reading for all students.

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Dive into our first episode as Dr. Jane Oakhill, professor of experimental psychology at the University of Sussex, gives a high-level overview of Scarborough’s Reading Rope. She also emphasizes the importance of inferencing in comprehension, explains why the Simple View of Reading is still relevant almost 40 years later, and describes how each element of the rope comes together to deconstruct the complexity of reading.

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Science of Reading season 2

Tune into this season of the podcast to hear from educational thought leaders such as Dr. LaTonya Goffney, Afrika Afeni Mills, Dr. Sonia Cabell, Dr. Tim Shanahan, Dr. Danielle Damico, and more! You’ll hear real-world stories on adopting a new early literacy curriculum, including challenges and successes, as well as how schools benefited from analyzing the student data they received. Presenters will discuss the evolution of reading and the history of the Science of Reading. And you’ll learn how the pandemic is affecting at-risk students and those in need of intervention.

Join Danielle Damico, director of learning science at Amplify, as she explores the impact of the pandemic on at-risk students and those in need of intervention. She shares the insights drawn from DIBELS® 8th Edition and highlights how data is now more important than ever in understanding where students are—whether assessments are administered in person or through a digital platform. Finally, she leaves our listeners with best practices to nurture readers moving forward and ensure growth and success through the end of the year.

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One of our most popular guests, Tim Shanahan, returns! In our most recent episode, he reminisces about the creation of the National Reading Panel in 1997 and the release of its subsequent groundbreaking report. He highlights how reading instruction has evolved and discusses how new research seems to be changing the landscape of the “reading wars” he thought were settled long ago.

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Join Sonia Cabell, assistant professor of education at Florida State University, as she shares findings from her research trials on content-rich literacy curricula and whether activating students’ background knowledge alongside explicit phonics instruction is more effective than traditional approaches. She also explains what constitutes “compelling evidence” in the Science of Reading and why students need to interact with both written and spoken language while learning to read.

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Join Kelly Moran, curriculum supervisor of Chardon Local Schools in Ohio, as she shares her journey of implementing a curriculum based around the Science of Reading. Hear about the steps her district took to reshape literacy instructional practices and about the challenges they faced along the way. Find out how the fostering of reading achievement in students renders all efforts worthwhile.

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Join Margaret Goldberg and Alanna Mednick from the Right to Read Project as they address the Science of Reading and its translation into easy practice for educators. They break down the Seidenberg and McClelland Four-Part Processing Model and explain how it relates to the Simple View of Reading. They also reflect on how educators should approach reading as scientists and be ready to teach in a way that may be uncomfortable for a time—the labor-of-love stage of literacy instruction.

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Join Afrika Afeni Mills—diversity, equity, and inclusion director of BetterLesson—as she reflects on race, culture, and identity in education. She’ll shed light on the significance of integrating students’ schemas to nurture language comprehension in early literacy, discuss the difference between asset- and deficit-based teaching, and highlight the impact “windows and mirrors” have on students’ classroom experiences.

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In our first international episode, join The Reading League CEO and President Maria Murray and La Trobe University professor of cognitive psychology Pamela Snow as they reflect on the long history of the Science of Reading. They’ll explain the true definition of “the Science of Reading” and explore why this knowledge has not been translated for the practitioners that need it the most—teachers. Our guests will also discuss the pandemic’s silver lining: the opportunity to reflect on instructional practices and how to best support educators and students now and in the future.

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Join Amplify interns Justin Pita, undergraduate at the University of Pennsylvania, and Tamara Morris, alumna of Stanford University, as they share their reading journeys. They highlight the major disparities and barriers that affected their academic experiences. They also reflect on how action must be taken by caregivers and educators to ensure that all students have access to equal opportunities for achievement in literacy, so that no student gets left behind.

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Join Dr. LaTonya Goffney, Superintendent of Schools for Aldine Independent School District in Texas, as she recounts her two-year journey with her team of district educators to adopt a new early literacy curriculum. Hear how they successfully challenged the traditional adoption process, studied the science of teaching reading, analyzed student data and experiences, and developed a district-wide set of beliefs and expectations.

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Science of Reading season 1

Check out this season of the podcast to hear from literacy experts on their research and insights in the field. Our guests will discuss dyslexia development, the importance of reading comprehension and the challenges that come with it, as well as the research behind how students learn to read. Don’t miss out on learning about the growing role of technology in the classroom and the importance of dual language instruction. These Season 1 presenters will inspire you and change how you think about literacy.

Join us in reflecting on season one and preview what’s in store for an exciting season two. In this special episode, we revisit the highlights of season one, with key clips from Emily Hanford, Natalie Wexler, Ernesto Ortiz, David and Meredith Liben, and Shawn Joseph, and other moments that inspired us and changed how we think about literacy.

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Join Dr. Catherine Barnes, CEO of Sudden Impact Solutions and leader of the Black Parents Support Network, as she addresses the shortcomings of the educational system in underserved communities during the pandemic, the need to overcome parents’ perceptions of educator judgment, and the ways educators can foster relationships with parents to ensure continuous learning for students during these trying times.

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Author and University of Virginia psychology professor Daniel Willingham discusses the “reading wars” (and mischaracterizations among their factions), the importance of understanding basic science to teach reading, and the variations in implementation of the Science of Reading in literacy instruction across districts.

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Doug Lemov, author and managing director of Uncommon Schools, discusses the role of technology in the classroom and remote instruction, how educators should reconsider how they approach literacy, and his experience reconstructing a reading curriculum for this next phase of digital learning while holding true to the values of the Science of Reading.

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Educator, author, and leader Shawn Joseph shares his passion for social justice and discusses his work advocating for equity in education, shedding light on what he calls the silent crisis in literacy instruction. In this episode, you’ll hear about his experience as a former superintendent of several large urban districts and learn how he fostered achievement in all of his students.

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Multilingual author and expert Elizabeth Jiménez Salinas and host Susan Lambert discuss advocating for underrepresented English learners (EL), improving dual language instruction, and learned passivity. Elizabeth shares tips for EL students during this time and reinforces the importance of home connection and language development.

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Susan Lambert is joined by Mary Clayman, director of the District of Columbia Reading Clinic, who shares her experience founding one of the first graduate clinical practicums sponsored by a public school system, discusses how it influenced the training of DCPS teachers, and celebrates the success of students in early literacy using the Science of Reading.

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Jacquey Barber, director of design & development at UC Berkeley’s Lawrence Hall of Science, discusses her research on the symbiotic relationship between literacy and science and what educators should be looking for in high-quality, literacy-rich science curricula.

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David and Meredith Liben, nationally recognized reading experts and authors of Know Better, Do Better, discuss their need to find evidence-based solutions, the importance of knowledge and skills instruction, and how to tackle unfinished learning in schools.

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Laurence Holt, language acquisition expert and author of the Learning to Read primers, joins host Susan Lambert to discuss the Simple View of Reading, how the brain rewires itself to learn to read, and the importance of background knowledge in language comprehension.

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Larry Berger, CEO of Amplify, discusses the use of innovation and technology to inform teaching and learning, his new initiative called Wide Open School, and how we can step back and let this be a time of joy and creativity for kids that enables them to discover a love of reading.

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Dr. Elfrieda “Freddy” Hiebert, author and founder of the Text Project, shares insights from her research on vocabulary, the etymology of the English language, and the importance of teaching morphology to enable kids to make connections.

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Jared Myracle, chief academic officer of the Jackson-Madison County School System in Tennessee, shares his district’s experience in adopting the Science of Reading and navigating the change-management process. He stresses the importance of high-quality instructional materials and implementation fidelity.

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Ernesto Ortiz, principal at an elementary school in Pennsylvania, discusses how to understand when materials are meaningfully “research-based,” how his school made the shift to the Science of Reading, and how he is supporting his students with remote learning resources to continue their literacy development at home.

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Susan Lambert and David Steiner, professor and executive director of the Institute for Education Policy at Johns Hopkins University, examine how school closures are impacting learning across the nation, how districts are responding to the rapidly changing environment, and why maximizing our educational reach via technology should be a priority.

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We’ve been thinking a lot about you—and our hearts go out to you during this confusing and uncertain time. Helping our students continue to learn in this unusual and unsettling situation is not easy. And here at Science of Reading: The Podcast, we want to do what we can to support you.

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Susan and Dr. Bruce McCandliss, professor in the Graduate School of Education at Stanford University, chat about combining neuroscience with education. How does neuroscience help us understand the changes going on in the brain of a child learning to read? Why do some children struggle so profoundly? He shares his research into focusing students’ attention on letters and sounds versus on whole words.

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Jasmine Lane, a high school English teacher, discusses the importance of equity and education and the disconnect between how teachers feel and what they need to do to push education forward for all students, regardless of their background. She also shares how education has changed her life, how her students have been impacted by their early literacy teachers, and how high schoolers fill in the gaps for things they missed early on.

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Dr. Nancy Nelson, research assistant professor at the Center on Teaching and Learning at the University of Oregon, discusses myths and misconceptions around RTI, Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS), and universal screening in reading instruction.

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Carolyn Strom, professor of early childhood literacy and innovation at New York University, discusses her research and interviews with pre-school teachers and how students learn to read, as well as her view on the Science of Reading and the cognitive science behind it all. She shares her insights on the importance of neuroscience and culturally responsive teaching, and dives into Linnea Ehri’s four phases of learning how to read.

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Literacy expert and author Tim Shanahan discusses his views on teaching reading in middle school as an extension of evidence-based early literacy practices. What are some of the challenges and what should reading instruction include? Tim and host Susan Lambert dive into the many ways to boost comprehension; discuss how the English language is always changing; and explain how to structure reading instruction across content areas such as history, science, and math so students are equipped to comprehend those texts as well.

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What is the missing link in reading comprehension? Anne Lucas, former curriculum director and current product manager of Amplify Reading, discusses the multifaceted nature of comprehension and why it’s so difficult to teach, shares a teacher’s powerful “eureka! moment,” and explains the specific sentence-level skills that improve overall comprehension.

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Emily Lutrick, a PreK–5 curriculum and dyslexia coordinator with almost 20 years of experience in education, examines the facts and fictions of dyslexia. She discusses how early is too early to screen for dyslexia, and how to identify the signs and risk factors. Then, Susan and Emily explore how dyslexia relates to the Science of Reading and what educators and parents can do to help students after school.

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Lois Letchford, author of Reversed: A Memoir, shares her personal accounts of her son’s struggle with learning how to read, as well as her own when she was in school with dyslexia. After being told by a teacher that her son was “the worst child [she’s] ever seen in [her] 25 years of teaching,” Lois persisted to help her son—and even began writing poems to pique his interest in reading. What is he doing now? Was she successful?

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Susan and Tim Rasinski, author of The Megabook of Fluency: Strategies and Texts to Engage All Readers, discuss Tim’s work at the reading clinic at Kent State University, the aspects of good fluency instruction, what constitutes fluency, and how reading speed is correlated to word recognition and automaticity. Tim stresses the importance of fluency and finding ways to be artful while teaching reading.

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Susan sits down with education reporter and host of the Education Post podcast Emily Hanford to discuss her takeaways from reporting on dyslexia and the patterns that emerged in her investigation; the Science of Reading, and why schools don’t align with it more; theories of how reading works; and the evolution of balanced literacy, phonics, and whole-language instruction.

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Robert shares his inspirations and emphasizes the need to acknowledge the different places and backgrounds that students come to school from, and how this affects their language trajectory. Susan and Robert also discuss the latest in education reform, as well as the knowledge gap, how it’s only going to get larger as kids move through grades, the limited time we have to correct it, and how to start doing so.

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What’s broken in our education system? Natalie joins Susan for a provocative talk about her latest book, The Knowledge Gap, and how a knowledge-based curriculum can bring equity into the classroom—and students’ futures.

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Welcome to Science of Reading: The Podcast! We bring educators the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. We believe equity in education begins with reading science.

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Special miniseries

This special miniseries dedicated to multilingual/English learners (ML/ELs)! Host Susan Lambert will chat with leading researchers and practitioners about how the Science of Reading supports ML/ELs and why this is so important. Through exploration of the key research and enlightening discussions, Susan and guests will discuss the optimal use of the Science of Reading to enhance students’ classroom experiences and overall learning journeys.

In this Science of Reading: The Podcast episode, Susan Lambert speaks with Rebecca Tolson and Lisa Lenhart about their roles at the University of Akron’s newly established Center for Structured Literacy. They discuss their personal journeys in literacy education, the large grant received from the Ohio Department of Higher Education, and how the Center aims to prepare pre-service teachers using the Science of Reading and structured literacy. Rebecca and Lisa elaborate on the faculty’s training program, curriculum updates, and potential community impact. The conversation also touches on the emotional and professional challenges in shifting to evidence-based practices, the history of literacy legislation in Ohio, and the Center’s long-term goals—including IDA accreditation and expanding their impact on both pre-service and in-service educators.

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Summer ’24 Interlude: Training teachers well from the start, with Lisa Lenhart and Rebecca Tolson

In this episode, Jamie Clark and Susan Lambert delve into Jamie’s new educational resource called one-pagers designed to distill complex educational literacy research into accessible, practical one-page summaries for teachers. Jamie, originally from the United Kingdom and now based in Australia, also shares his one-pager journey—from ideation, to creating these resources, to witnessing their impact in the classroom. Aside from discussing his methodology, Jamie also highlights the iterative process of refining his work and collaborating with key figures in the educational field, and the importance of contextual application of these strategies in different educational settings. Jamie also gives an in-depth explanation of his think-pair-share one-pager, highlights how important it is for teachers to continue learning, and ends with advice for anyone looking to make research more accessible.

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Summer ’24 Interlude: One-pagers make literacy research more accessible, with Jamie Clark

In this episode, Susan Lambert talks with Kelly Butler and Margaret Goldberg about their experiences and insights into improving reading instruction, particularly in Mississippi and California. Kelly discusses her work with the Barksdale Reading Institute, its impact on reading education, and the importance of coaching and structured literacy. Margaret shares her experiences as a coach in California, the challenges of teacher training, and the importance of having a clear and effective literacy plan that includes acquiring high-quality data and using it to inform all your strategies. Both guests emphasize the need for systemic change and the role of community involvement in educational success.

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Summer ’24 Interlude: How effective coaching transformed Mississippi, with Kelly Butler and Margaret Goldberg

In this episode, Susan Lambert is joined by Arturo Valadez Sáenz, a demonstration teacher from Dallas, Texas, who delves into his journey from his childhood in Mexico to becoming an educator in the United States. He describes his current role, teaching both English and Spanish language arts, and emphasizes the importance of bilingual education. He shares the demographics and linguistic challenges of his students, many of whom are newcomers to the country, some of whom come from economically disadvantaged backgrounds or speak different dialects. Sáenz discusses effective strategies like bilingual pairing, feedback for learning, and the impact of Science of Reading practices in his classroom. He also highlights the necessity of creating a positive classroom culture and building students’ confidence. Sáenz’s story is a testament to the transformative power of education and the significant difference a dedicated teacher can make in the lives of students.

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Episode 6: Curating a confident classroom for multilingual learners, with Arturo Valadez Sáenz

This episode features an in-depth conversation with Genie Baca, a 33-year education veteran who has spent the last 18 years as a principal in Texas. Baca discusses her career progression from a balanced literacy classroom teacher to various educational roles along her journey to the Science of Reading—and how it all led her to a unique school predominantly serving refugee students. This school—where 39 languages are spoken by the diverse student body—faces different challenges (and opportunities) than most schools. Baca shares some of the transformative strategies implemented under her leadership, particularly focusing on the Science of Reading and high-quality instructional materials. These strategies have significantly improved literacy and engagement, with a systematic approach adjusted for Tier 1 instruction to benefit all students, including monolingual and multilingual learners. Baca’s story showcases the positive influence strong leadership, a dedicated staff, and research-based educational methodologies can have when creating an inclusive, successful learning environment for a diverse student population.

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Episode 5: Serving every student, in every seat, speaking any language, with Genie Baca

In this episode, Diane August, Ph.D., shares her journey and expertise supporting multilingual learners, focusing on her transition from a Spanish language teacher to a widely recognized expert in literacy and language acquisition for multilingual students. August recounts her initial teaching experiences, her realization of the need for better support for language development, and her subsequent pursuit of a Ph.D. and further research efforts to deepen her understanding of second language acquisition and content integrated language teaching. August emphasizes the foundational importance of supporting multilingual learners through asset-based approaches, bilingual programming, and research-based instructional strategies, advocating for educational policies and practices that recognize and leverage the linguistic and cultural assets of multilingual learners from the very early grades all the way through the later grades.

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Episode 4: Practical strategies for multilingual learning, with Diane August, Ph.D.

As we continue our miniseries on English learners and multilingual learners, Francisco Usero-González, Ph.D., guest, a renowned expert in bilingual education and dyslexia intervention, joins Susan Lambert to discuss diagnosing dyslexia in multilingual learners and the intersectional understanding it requires. To accurately approach observation and assessment, educators need all the different parts of their own identity to create a complete picture. Usero-González discusses how moving from Spain to the United States led him to champion professional development that teaches educators to have a linguistic, cognitive, and cultural understanding of students. Together, Susan and Usero-González also touch on the ways in which symptoms of dyslexia and the natural process of language acquisition can be confused, how to diagnose dyslexia in multilingual learners, what dyslexia looks like across languages, and how translanguaging is especially helpful for multilingual learners with dyslexia.

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Episode 3: Diagnosing dyslexia in multilingual learners, with Francisco Usero-González

Professor Emeritus Jim Cummins, Ph.D., joins Susan Lambert from the University of Toronto’s Ontario Institute for Studies in Education for an engaging conversation that explores the dynamics of language development and bilingual education, as well as the importance of a supportive learning environment for multilingual/English learners (ML/ELs). Cummins shares stories from his extensive experience and research in the field, highlighting the cognitive benefits of bilingualism, the importance of literacy engagement, and the role of translanguaging in educational settings. He also illuminates the challenges and opportunities in fostering multilingual capabilities and underscores the value of embracing students’ linguistic diversity in schools.

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Episode 2: Nurturing multilingualism, with Jim Cummins, Ph.D.

To kick off our season focused on how the Science of Reading serves multilingual/English learners (ML/ELs), Amplify Vice President of Biliteracy Kajal Patel Below joins Susan Lambert for a retrospective discussion of the history of literacy education through a biliteracy lens. Together, they discuss the significance of a recent joint statement put out by The Reading League and the National Committee for Effective Literacy. Below sheds light on why this statement is so monumental, and what it means for serving ML/ELs going forward.

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Episode 1: Language is always an asset, with Kajal Patel Below

Science of Reading: The Podcast is launching a special miniseries dedicated to multilingual/English learners (ML/ELs)! Host Susan Lambert will chat with leading researchers and practitioners about how the Science of Reading supports ML/ELs and why this is so important. Through exploration of the key research and enlightening discussions, Susan and guests will discuss the optimal use of the Science of Reading to enhance students’ classroom experiences and overall learning journeys.

Listen to this trailer for a sneak peek, and subscribe now to make sure you don’t miss this exclusive miniseries. The first episode drops April 30!

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Sneak peek: A miniseries on multilingual and English learners

Science of Reading Essentials

Looking for a roundup of the latest research on key literacy topics? Our Science of Reading Podcast Essentials episodes will unlock insights that can truly transform your instruction. In each of these 30-minute episodes, you’ll hear from a handful of esteemed thought leaders providing their insights on a given topic—writing, comprehension, and more.

In this special Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert digs into the archives to find reading comprehension insights from experts Hugh Catts, Ph.D.; Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.; and Reid Smith, Ph.D. Listeners will get a foundational introduction to the complexities of reading comprehension and come away with an understanding of how to reframe comprehension as an outcome rather than a skill, choose the right texts and ask the right questions, and cultivate long-term memory and knowledge recall.

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Special episode: Science of Reading Essentials: Comprehension

In this special Essentials episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert pulls from past episodes of the podcast to give you everything you need to know about science-based writing instruction. Experts include Steve Graham, Ed.D.; Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.; Natalie Wexler; and Judith Hochman, Ed.D. Listeners will walk away from this episode with a solid foundation for creating a classroom of confident and capable writers, and gain a better understanding of the connection between reading and writing, the role of handwriting and spelling, the power of sentences, and the importance of applying cognitive load theory to writing. Download our discussion guide to fuel a professional learning session!

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