Season 8, Episode 1

Knowledge and comprehension: Never one without the other, with Reid Smith and Pamela Snow

In the premiere episode of Season 8 of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by guests Reid Smith and Pamela Snow to lay the groundwork for a season entirely centered on knowledge and knowledge-building. Reid and Pamela—of the SOLAR Lab at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia—recently co-authored (along with many others) a review of the literature on background knowledge and literacy. In this discussion, they share what they learned, including some surprising takeaways. This episode examines the  complexity of building background knowledge, the important role it plays in literacy, and the reasons we’ve decided to spend a whole season exploring it!

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Pamela Snow

Pamela Snow

Pamela Snow, Ph.D., is a professor of cognitive psychology in the School of Education at La Trobe University in Australia and co-director of the Science of Language and Reading (SOLAR) Lab. She is both a speech-language pathologist and a registered psychologist, and her research focuses on ensuring language and literacy success across the school years.

Reid Smith

Reid Smith is an elementary school teacher and curriculum leader at a school in Australia, and is also a doctoral candidate at La Trobe University’s Science of Language and Reading (SOLAR) Lab. His research focuses on the contribution of background knowledge to the act of reading. He is also co-CEO of Ochre Education, a not-for-profit organization committed to closing educational gaps by providing teachers with free, high-quality curriculum materials.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“This idea of having a coherent curriculum that systematically builds knowledge and skills over time is something that we think is really important for our kids.”

—Reid Smith

“I'd just point to making sure that you really give students the opportunity to learn more about the world that they're in and the cultures that we have in the past, present, and future. They're all really important things for our kids. And, you know, from an instrumentalist point of view, because it helps their reading comprehension.”

—Pamela Snow

"I think we respect teacher autonomy when we give them the knowledge that they need about how the English writing system works, right across the Reading Rope, and how the English language works, right across the Reading Rope.”

—Pamela Snow

Season 8, Episode 2

The joy of reading aloud, with Molly Ness

Many educators understand the value of reading aloud to students, but may not yet have unlocked the full power of these tools as an intentional, consistent, and joyful instructional approach. In this episode, we welcome Molly Ness, author of the recent book, Read Alouds for All Learners: A Comprehensive Plan for Every Subject, Every Day, Grades PreK–8. Molly—a former classroom teacher who also spent 16 years as a teacher educator—gives us an overview of the research on read-alouds, detailing the myriad benefits (linguistic, socioemotional, motivational, and physiological) they provide students. Molly also lays out strategies for effective read-alouds, instructions on how to properly plan and implement them, and specific examples of the pre-work process for texts like Knuffle Bunny by Mo Willems.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Molly Ness, Ph.D.

Molly Ness, Ph.D.

Molly Ness is a reading researcher, former classroom teacher, and teacher educator. She earned a doctorate in reading education at the University of Virginia and spent 16 years as an associate professor at Fordham University. The author of five books and numerous articles, Molly serves on the board of directors for the International Literacy Association.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“A read-aloud is an interactive language experience…where a teacher reads something, elicits a conversation from students. Those conversational turns are so essential in [a] read-aloud. It's a shared literacy experience around a text.”

—Molly Ness

“What I don't think teachers understand, and I say this having been one of those teachers, is the intentionality that needs to happen in planning the read-aloud.”

—Molly Ness

“When we add things like think-alouds and being explicit in our vocabulary, we are building [students’] metacognition and [their] ability to understand text.”

—Molly Ness

“We all have those gaps in knowledge and life experiences, regardless of where we come from and regardless of our zip code and regardless of our personal or family situation.”

—Molly Ness

Season 8, Episode 3

Knowledge and vocabulary: Two sides of the same coin, with Gina Cervetti

In this episode, Susan Lambert talks to Gina Cervetti, Ph.D., about literacy development, knowledge building, vocabulary expansion—and the deep connections among all three. Gina explains why she sees knowledge and vocabulary as two sides of the same coin. She also attempts to expand the listener’s understanding of what knowledge really is, it’s not just subject-area knowledge; It’s also cultural knowledge. In this process, she introduces the idea of conceptual coherence and the benefits of this approach to knowledge building, as well as avenues for implementing it in the classroom. Lastly, Gina offers strategies for how teachers can effectively build students’ vocabulary without relying on a vocabulary list, the usefulness of which has not been shown by the research.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Gina Cervetti

Gina Cervetti

Gina Cervetti is a professor of education in the Marsal Family School of Education at University of Michigan. She studies and teaches classes related to elementary reading and language instruction and curriculum development. Gina earned her doctorate in educational psychology at the Michigan State University and spent several years at University of California, Berkeley, as a designer and researcher on projects related to the integration of literacy and science instruction. That work inspired an interest in the significance of knowledge-enriching and participatory contexts, like that of science, in literacy development. She has written about this work in a number of journal articles and a book with Jacqueline Barber, titled, No More Science Kits or Texts in Isolation: Teaching Science and Literacy Together.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Above all other things in education, literacy is a gateway to so many of the things that are essential for human flourishing and human choice.”

—Gina Cervetti, Ph.D.

“Knowledge is so complex that it actually offers a number of different benefits. And different kinds of knowledge actually benefit literacy development in different ways.”

—Gina Cervetti, Ph.D.

“It makes sense to capitalize on the knowledge that students bring, both as a platform for their literacy learning, [and] also to further develop it so that they're also understanding the context of their lives and their communities and their families.”

—Gina Cervetti, Ph.D.

Season 8, Episode 4

Brace for impact: Unifying classrooms through mission-based learning, with John Hattie

On this wide-ranging episode, Susan finally gets the chance to speak with famed education thinker and author John Hattie, Ph.D. Hattie has authored dozens and dozens of books. He’s best known for his book, Visible Learning, which now has a sequel. In this episode, he discusses his career and shares with Susan some of the biggest takeaways from his work. He also explains what meta-analysis is and discusses some of the biggest takeaways from meta-analysis in the education field, as well as the importance of implementation. And, finally, Hattie shares his thoughts on AI and the future of education. This episode offers many practical tips for educators to realign with their mission and dig into why they do what they do and how to best make an impact.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

John Hattie

John Hattie

John Hattie is Emeritus Laureate Professor at the Melbourne Graduate School of Education at the University of Melbourne, and co-director of the Hattie Family Foundation. His Visible Learning research is based on a quarter billion students and he continues to update this research. He has published and presented over 1,000 papers, supervised 220 theses by students, and authored more than 60 books—including 40 on Visible Learning.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Susan is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Susan is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Your job is not to get through the curriculum, your job is not to get kids engaged in authentic, real-world, exciting tasks. Your job is to have an impact across those many notions.”

—John Hattie, Ph.D.

“We're very good at finding problems and fixing them but we're not as good—we're not having the courage—to study expertise and scale it up. And that's my mission. Scale up the expertise we have.”

—John Hattie, Ph.D.

“I'm an evidence-based person. Sometimes I don't like the results, but that doesn't mean you get to deny it. Some people want to deny it. Some people want to get angry with it. And sometimes evidence does get in the way of a good opinion.”

—John Hattie, Ph.D.

Season 8, Episode 5

No perfect set of words: Building vocabulary, with Margaret McKeown

This episode’s guest is Margaret McKeown, Ph.D., a retired professor from the University of Pittsburgh, decades-long researcher, and former elementary school teacher. In it, McKeown and Susan Lambert address why vocabulary is so important, particularly for knowledge building; talk about the various elements of effective vocabulary instruction; discuss the key role of informal instruction in vocabulary building; and share best practices for assessing vocabulary. Listeners will come away from this episode with a deeper understanding of the how and why of vocabulary instruction, as well as tips for bolstering vocabulary instruction in their own communities.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Margaret McKeown

Margaret McKeown

Margaret G. McKeown, Ph.D., is clinical professor emerita of the School of Education and senior scientist of the Learning Research and Development Center at University of Pittsburgh. McKeown’s work covers the areas of learning, instruction, and teacher professional development in reading comprehension and vocabulary. McKeown and Isabel Beck were co-developers of an approach called Questioning and Author. They also co-authored Bringing Words to Life: Robust Vocabulary Instruction.
nBefore her career in research, McKeown taught reading and language arts in elementary school. Although now retired, she likes to keep in contact with teachers and the literacy field, and is also a grandmother to two grandsons.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Good instruction needs to be interactive. We're using words. Vocabulary pervades the day.”

—Margaret McKeown

“Having mastery of your language is part of your self image.”

—Margaret McKeown

“The more you know, the more you can laugh.”

—Margaret McKeown

“We're always encountering something new with language. We can't just learn it by sitting down and being told a bunch of rules.”

—Margaret McKeown

Season 8, Episode 7

Vocabulary is unconstrained, with Tanya S. Wright

As a writer of several books for teachers and parents, former kindergarten teacher, and current associate professor of language and literacy in the Department of Teacher Education at Michigan State University, Tanya S. Wright, Ph.D., has maintained focus on a singular question: How can we most effectively work with students in the early education setting? In answering that question, Wright has researched and written on two interesting areas: vocabulary development, and best practices for literacy development in young children. Listeners will come away from this conversation with some great tips and strategies for developing vocabulary, working effectively with younger students, and integrating writing and vocabulary.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Tanya S. Wright, Ph.D.

Tanya S. Wright, Ph.D.

Tanya S. Wright is an associate professor of language and literacy in the Department of Teacher Education at Michigan State University. A former kindergarten teacher, Wright’s research and teaching have focused on early childhood and elementary language and literacy curriculum and instruction. The author of several books for teachers and parents, Wright’s work has been published in journals such as American Educator, The Elementary School Journal, The Reading Teacher, and more.

Wright was the winner of the International Literacy Association Outstanding Dissertation Award in 2012 and the Jerry Johns Outstanding Teacher Educator in Reading Award in 2022. Teacher and lead author of SOLID Start Curriculum, and leads the literacy integration team/serves as co-lead of the K–2 instructional design team for the OpenSciEd Elementary curriculum development project.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“We need kids to be able to sound out the words, but we also need them to know what they mean. Otherwise, the text won't make sense. So we really need to be working on both of these at the same time.”

—Tanya S. Wright

“Really value what kids bring to the classroom, even if it's not perfect yet, or if it's not exactly what adults would say.”

—Tanya S. Wright

“It's really important that we're thinking about purposeful, planned, and intentional vocabulary supports to make sure that everybody is included in the learning and can participate in the classroom.”

—Tanya S. Wright

“Realistically, kids love to learn big words. They make use of them. They don't really differentiate it. So that's an adult imposition, right? Which ones are the big ones or which ones are the hard ones? If we use them with kids, they will use them too. And enjoy it.”

—Tanya S. Wright

Season 8, Episode 6

Showing up as your full self, with Dr. Jasmine Rogers

Returning guest and recent doctoral degree recipient Jasmine Rogers, Ed.D., rejoins the podcast to discuss findings from her research on Black language and teacher perceptions of Black language. Rogers shares strategies for how educators can better serve students by allowing them to be more themselves in the classroom. She also shares some specific teacher approaches she’s observed that listeners can apply in their own classrooms. Lastly, Rogers inspires listeners with emotional stories—including her own—about educators learning and growing, and posits that starting with introspection can often have the greatest impact on the classroom.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Dr. Jasmine Rogers

Dr. Jasmine Rogers

Jasmine Rogers, Ed.D., is a manager and coach with the InSchools program at the DC Reading Clinic, serving the District of Columbia Public Schools. In this role, she manages professional development on structured literacy best practices. For nine years, she was an elementary teacher serving in kindergarten and special education as well as a reading specialist. She also mentored at the DC Reading Clinic in its 2019 inaugural cohort. She holds masters degrees in sports administration, elementary education, and special education. She is currently an adjunct professor and early literacy intervention lead at American University, where she recently completed her doctorate in education policy and leadership.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“The history of our country, the history of who we are as individuals in our families, absolutely impacts who we are as teachers and how we show up in the classroom.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“I'm just thinking of all these beautiful teachers and trying not to cry. They are showing up fully as who they are for their students … by being themselves they end up creating an environment that just makes it a great place to learn and a place where students feel loved and a place where students can be themselves.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“You address people as human beings because they're human and that's the right thing to do. And if you engage and see your kids as humans, then it's really helpful to get them engaged.”

—Jasmine Rogers

“If I was able to make a change, you 110 percent can make a change. And a lot of that is just being open to feedback, being curious, and ensuring that whatever you are doing, you are not causing harm to students.”

—Jasmine Rogers

Season 8, Episode 8

The plea to preserve deep reading, with Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

A name known throughout the literacy world, Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D., directs the Center for Dyslexia, Diverse Learners, and Social Justice at the University of California, Los Angeles. She’s published over 170 scientific articles  and four books focusing on the science of the reading brain. In this episode she discusses the reading brain in a digital context and delves into some of the tensions around literacy instruction in the present moment, including the Science of Reading beyond just phonics, the plea to preserve deep reading, and literacy and screens. She also talks about the topics she’s most focused on and the ones she feels are most pressing in general when it comes to research on the brain and literacy. And she ends with an impassioned message to teachers, expressing her deep respect and gratitude.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

Maryanne Wolf advocates for children and literacy. She directs UCLA’s Center for Dyslexia, Diverse Learners, and Social Justice. She has published over 170 articles and four books, including Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain; Dyslexia, Fluency, and the Brain; Tales of Literacy for the 21st Century: The Literary Agenda; and Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World. She is a frequent speaker at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“What I would say to any teacher of balanced literacy: Let us bring our best selves and expand our knowledge. We both have things we can learn from each other. ”

—Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

“Pass on why you learned to be a teacher. Pass it on to your students. Let’s make that next generation of teachers truly excited about what we can do to release the potential of every child.”

—Maryanne Wolf, Ed.D.

Season 8, Episode 9

Knowledge building can’t wait, with HyeJin Hwang

Dr. HyeJin Hwang is an assistant professor and literacy researcher whose research interests revolve around reading comprehension and content learning in K–12 settings, particularly for multilingual students. In this week’s episode of the podcast, HyeJin Hwang talks with Susan Lambert about background knowledge (what it is, how it’s built, and more), the importance of broad knowledge, the connections between knowledge and vocabulary, and unit planning rather than lesson planning. English wasn’t Dr. Hwang’s own first language, and her research on supporting multi-language learners is informed by her own experiences learning English and later teaching English as a second language.  Whether you’re just starting to establish a solid foundation on knowledge building or you’re looking to explore the topic from new angles, this episode is the one to listen to.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

HyeJin Hwang, Ph.D.

HyeJin Hwang, Ph.D.

HyeJin Hwang is an assistant professor in the department of educational psychology at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. She earned her Ph.D. in Educational Studies (Literacy, Language, and Culture) at the University of Michigan and worked as a postdoctoral scholar at the Florida Center for Reading Research. Her research interests revolve around reading comprehension and content learning in K–12 settings, particularly for multilingual students. Hwang’s work has been published in research journals such as Reading Research Quarterly, Scientific Studies of Reading, and AERA Open, as well as practitioner journals such as The Reading Teacher  and Reading in Virginia. Her work has been supported by the American Educational Research Association, the President’s Postdoctoral Fellowship Program at the University of Minnesota, and the American Psychological Association Division 15 (Educational Psychology).

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Knowledge building cannot wait. …Start from the beginning of schooling, from early grades. Multilingual students and monolingual students, they both need support developing knowledge and literacy skills.”

—HyeJin Hwang

“In knowledge building, we usually like to go for cultivating in-depth knowledge. That means interconnected ideas need to be told throughout multiple lessons, multiple classes, rather than planning individual separate lessons.”

—HyeJin Hwang

“When readers have good broad knowledge, prior knowledge, then it is more likely the readers can recall text information ideas, and they can make better inferences about missing ideas in text.”

—HyeJin Hwang

Season 8, Episode 10

Comprehension is an outcome, with Sharon Vaughn

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D., is an award-winning researcher and author who has advised on literacy across 30 states and 10 countries. In this episode, she joins Susan Lambert to dig into how we can build rather than just teach reading comprehension, and what it means for comprehension to be a learning outcome rather than a skill. She and Susan also touch on how to ask the right comprehension questions, how to ensure coherency in teaching background knowledge, and where it’s easy to go wrong—with knowledge building and with the Science of Reading as a whole. Listeners will walk away with a deeper understanding of which skills lead to comprehension and how to avoid strategy overload.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.

Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D., is the Manuel J. Justiz Endowed Chair in Education at the University of Texas at Austin and Executive Director of the Meadows Center for Preventing Educational Risk (an organized research unit she founded with a Make-A-Wish gift from the Meadows Foundation). She is the principal investigator on multiple Institute for Education Sciences, National Institute for Child Health and Human Development, and U.S. Department of Education research grants investigating effective interventions for students with reading difficulties and students who are multilingual/English learners. She has been the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Learning Disabilities and co-editor of Learning Disabilities Research and Practice. She’s won numerous awards, including the Distinguished Faculty and Research Award at the University of Texas (which she was the first woman to receive), and has authored more than 40 books and 350 research articles. She has also worked with over 30 state education departments and with educators in more than 10 countries.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“Comprehension is an outcome, and it's based on being able to read words accurately, know what they mean, have adequate background knowledge, and also [be] able to make inferences.”

—Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.

“I've seen things go awry. Good things get interpreted incorrectly. The Science of Reading has that potential…where people could take that and sort of start creating their own meaning about what it means and start downloading that in districts and schools in ways that are counterproductive.”

—Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.

“If you look at the early studies from the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, they really were the building blocks for phonemic awareness and phonics and the way in which we have identified the foundation skills as being essential. We act like the Science of Reading is something new, and we've been building this for decades.”

—Sharon Vaughn, Ph.D.

Season 8, Episode 11

Cognitive load theory: Four items at a time, with Greg Ashman

Greg Ashman—author of multiple books including A Little Guide for Teachers: Cognitive Load Theory, deputy principal, and professor—sits down with Susan Lambert on this episode to discuss cognitive load theory and how it applies to how students learn and how to best teach them. Together their conversation covers cognitive load theory, including an exploration of working memory and long-term memory; intrinsic load and extraneous load; biologically primary vs. biologically secondary knowledge; and how to apply these concepts in the classroom. Ashman also provides listeners with helpful advice on ensuring their teaching practices are based on evidence.

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Meet Our Guest(s):

Greg Ashman, Ph.D.

Greg Ashman, Ph.D.

Greg Ashman, Ph.D., is the deputy principal at Ballarat Clarendon College, Victoria. He is an honorary fellow at the Australian Centre for the Advancement of Literacy, Australian Catholic University, and a part-time professor at Academica University of Applied Sciences, Amsterdam. Greg is a prolific writer and has written three books: The Truth About Teaching: An Evidence-informed Guide for New TeachersThe Power of Explicit Teaching and Direct Instruction, and A Little Guide for Teachers: Cognitive Load Theory. He also produces a newsletter at fillingthepail.substack.com. Prior to moving to Australia, Greg worked at three government schools in London as a teacher, head of science and deputy principal.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

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Quotes

“I now know I shouldn't have felt guilty, but I also know that I could have taught that from the outset in a much more structured way where the students would have left understanding the concepts better without wasting time.”

—Greg Ashman

“I now know I shouldn't have felt guilty, but I also know that I could have taught that from the outset in a much more structured way where the students would have left understanding the concepts better without wasting time.”—Greg Ashman “This idea that kids don't need to know anything anymore, they just need to practice skills is really quite a pernicious and damaging idea.”

—Greg Ashman

“Think about the teaching methods that you're being presented with. Ask about the evidence and question whether this is really the optimal way of teaching literacy or whatever it is, or whether it's more based on wishful thinking.”

—Greg Ashman

Spring ’24 Rewind, Episode 14

Spring ’24 Rewind: Biliteracy and assessment, with Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

Susan Lambert joins biliteracy expert and professor Lillian Durán, who holds a doctorate in educational psychology from the University of Minnesota and researches the improvement of instructional and assessment practices with preschool-aged multilingual/English learners.

Durán begins by pointing out the difference between being bilingual and biliterate, then describes the key advantages of being bilingual and the unique skills students who speak multiple languages bring to school. She then discusses how the Simple View of Reading connects to Spanish, the double standard that often occurs when bilingual students are celebrated vs. when they are not, and the process of screening and assessment for multilingual/English learner students. Lastly, Durán compels educators to avoid viewing biliteracy and dual language support as a sub-population of their classroom and instead prioritize the development of students’ home languages, whatever they may be, alongside English instruction.

image of Lillian Durán guest on Science of Reading The Podcast in the episode Spring '24 Rewind: Biliteracy and assessment

Meet Our Guest(s):

Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

Lillian Durán has a doctorate in educational psychology from the University of Minnesota and is a professor in the Department of Special Education and Clinical Services at the University of Oregon. She holds a bachelor’s in elementary education from Antioch College and a master’s in education and human development from George Washington University. Her research focuses on large-scale equitable language and literacy measurement development in English and Spanish from preschool to 6th grade. She also is project director on several training grants from the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Special Education Programs, which prepare master’s and doctoral students to serve marginalized populations with disabilities with a focus on equity and improving educational outcomes. Durán frequently delivers presentations on the topic of recommended practices in language, and on literacy practices with multilingual/English learners. She has served on multiple equity and diversity councils, including the National Association for Young Children and the Division for Early Childhood. Prior to her work in higher education,Durán spent nine years as an elementary special education teacher both in Prince George’s County, Maryland, and in rural southwestern Minnesota.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

Retrato de una mujer caucásica sonriente con cabello rubio corto, involucrada en un podcast sobre la ciencia de la lectura, con gafas, lápiz labial rojo y un collar de perlas.

Quotes

“Language is inextricably linked to culture. We want to make sure these families and children feel valued and honored within our schools.”

—Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

“No matter what language you start to learn some of those skills in, there's a transfer and understanding of how to listen to sounds and how to put sounds together.”

—Lillian Durán, Ph.D.

Spring ’24 Rewind, Episode 13

Spring ’24 Rewind: Deconstructing the Reading Rope: Background knowledge, with Susan B. Neuman

Join Susan B. Neuman, professor of early childhood and literacy education at the Steinhardt School at New York University, in the sixth episode of our Deconstructing the Reading Rope series. She explains the important link between background knowledge and reading comprehension in the Science of Reading, and shares her five research-based principles to build knowledge networks in literacy instruction. She also highlights the connection between speech and reading, and previews her upcoming studies on the role of cross-media connections in children’s learning.

image of Susan B. Neuman guest on Science of Reading The Podcast in the episode Deconstructing the Reading Rope: Background Knowledge

Meet Our Guest(s):

Susan B. Neuman

Susan B. Neuman

Susan Neuman specializes in childhood education and early literacy development. She has been a Professor at the University of Michigan and has served as the U.S. Assistant Secretary for Elementary and Secondary Education. In her role as Assistant Secretary, she established the Early Reading First program, developed the Early Childhood Educator Professional Development Program, and was responsible for all activities in Title I of the Elementary and Secondary Act. She has served on the International Reading Association’s Board of Directors (2001–2003) as well as numerous other boards of non-profit organizations, and served as co-editor of Reading Research Quarterly (2011–2018), the International Literacy Organization’s flagship research journal. Her research and teaching interests include early childhood policy, curriculum, and early reading instruction for children who live in poverty. Neuman has received two lifetime achievement awards for research in literacy development and is a member of the Reading Hall of Fame and a Fellow of the American Educational Research Association. She has written over 100 articles, and authored or edited 12 books. Her newest is the three-volume Handbook of the Science of Early Literacy (2023) published by Guilford Press.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

Retrato de una mujer caucásica sonriente con cabello rubio corto, involucrada en un podcast sobre la ciencia de la lectura, con gafas, lápiz labial rojo y un collar de perlas.

Quotes

“What you’re helping children do is create a mosaic, putting all those ideas together in a knowledge network. If you don’t do it explicitly, many children cannot do it on their own.”

—Susan B. Neuman

“We’ve got to start early. We’ve got to start immediately, and know that children are eager to learn and use the content to engage them.”

—Susan B. Neuman

Season 8, Episode 12

Language and literacy, with Catherine Snow

Harvard School of Education professor of cognition and education Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D., joins Susan Lambert on this episode to reflect on the state of language and literacy instruction in the U.S. They begin their conversation discussing early literacy and linguistics, then dive into Snow’s work on the National Research Council report “Preventing Reading Difficulties in Young Children.” Lambert and Snow talk about building vocabulary, growing student curiosity in reading, and exposing students to academic language. Snow talks about the specific tools educators need for meaningful help in the classroom, shares her hopes (and fears) for the future of reading instruction in the U.S., and explains why she encourages teachers to let their classrooms be noisier.

image of Science of Reading podcast guest Catherine Snow in the episode Language and Literacy

Meet Our Guest(s):

Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D.

Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D.

Catherine E. Snow received her doctorate in developmental psychology from McGill University, where she wrote her thesis on how adult speech supports early language development. She subsequently worked for several years in the linguistics department of the University of Amsterdam before moving to Harvard, where her interests expanded to include language and literacy development. She chaired the National Academy of Sciences Committee that produced the report “Preventing Reading Difficulties in Young Children” (1998) and the RAND Reading Study Group that produced Reading for Understanding: Toward an R&D Program for Reading Comprehension (2000), a volume that influenced the federal education funding agenda for the next 20 years. Her work has been characterized by a willingness to defend unpopular positions about language learning and teaching, early childhood education, and literacy instruction. Much of her recent work has been carried out in collaboration with educational practitioners and other researchers focused on understanding the most urgent problems of practice in literacy education, under the auspices of the Strategic Education Research Partnership (SERP) Institute and Boston Public Schools.

Meet our host, Susan Lambert

Susan Lambert is the Chief Academic Officer of Elementary Humanities at Amplify, and the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Her career has been focused on creating high-quality learning environments using evidence-based practices. Lambert is a mom of four, a grandma of four, a world traveler, and a collector of stories.

As the host of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Lambert explores the increasing body of scientific research around how reading is best taught. As a former classroom teacher, administrator, and curriculum developer, Lambert is dedicated to turning theory into best practices that educators can put right to use in the classroom, and to showcasing national models of reading instruction excellence.

Retrato de una mujer caucásica sonriente con cabello rubio corto, involucrada en un podcast sobre la ciencia de la lectura, con gafas, lápiz labial rojo y un collar de perlas.

Quotes

“Part of preventing reading difficulties means focusing on programs to ensure that all children have access to books from birth and that they have access to adults who will read those books with them and discuss them.”

—Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D.

“I see academic language and exposure to academic language as an expansion of children's language skills that both contributes to successful literacy—successful reading comprehension—and gets built through encounters with texts, but also encounters with oral activities.”

—Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D.

“Let your classroom be noisier. Let the kids be more engaged and more socially engaged, because that is actually a contribution to their language development and to their motivation to keep working.”

—Catherine E. Snow, Ph.D.